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Her art is so blocky and weird. I can't describe it but it's just…off.
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Oh my god finally, I called that she would go full /snow/ and there she is. Some people might argue there's no milk but she's getting milkier than some threads we have here with how she's (not) handling critique, shit talks other artists while being mediocre herself, constantly shits on the audience that's bringing her the bucks in her blogs, etc. The other thread in /ot/ was all discussion about her anyways.
Uploading her latest bs.>>286961
She probably got too much hate, she always whined about not wanting to look at the comments in that video because it was the one with the most heated comment section. That video is how I discovered her myself btw, it's infamous.
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The Calarts video is how i found out about her, too. She claims to have been accepted into Calarts but come in, this clearly is NOT Calarts-worthy art.
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>lmao stupid anime right?!! constantly mocking anime especially by using generic kids' manga as an example makes me a professional i swear!!
Ah yes. The first manga volume of a late 90's manga (and Takahashi's second work?).
Is this fool serious?
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If u ever feel bad about ur comic work look at this
>That paneling mess overall, can't tell them apart>That shota guy becoming progressively tiny>"your">Whatever the fuck that last panel is. Looks like there are three different sized dudes in the room
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Aren't you glad she doesn't suffer of the same face syndrome herself as proven by pic related?
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>>286998>bitch actually thinking her ~comic~ is any better
fucking lol someone's needs glasses or an urgent reality check.
HOLY FUCK. I thought it had two big panels, not four omg the structure is so baaad and it's so crowded lmao>>287028
The Jay Leno's chins, man. Lol her art is truly ugly, and she talks like she's Jim Lee or something…
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2/2>blaming translation's lettering on the mangaka
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>>286998>amateurs comparing their comics to Go Nagai's
It's by no means a great animatic, its pretty sparing as you've pointed out. Its not that shitty melting style tho fml.
Heathers the movie had great ideas but boy is it confusing/lacking at times. The climax of it feels so half assed, funny but half assed. The musical does so much better with it and building atmosphere and stakes to what they do (also J.D.'s insanity has more of a build up?).
What gets me is tumblr LOVES this musical, even though it's an edgefest and uses vocab they fucking hate, musicals always do seem to get a free pass.
Offtopic as fuck sorry, this is who H.C. is pandering too tho.
Honest question… isn't this a joke? This reads as someone taking the piss out of their own art like, "if you think that's bad, look at some of my old stuff"?
She can't honestly be posting this as though it'll blow people's minds how amazing it is…?
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It's allright anon, I'm kind of indifferent towards that movie and I'm really dumbfounded by all the Tumblr love towards it. I guess it's the GRRL POWER factor but you'd think they'd be triggered
by all the suicide, "fatphobia" and gay jokes in it
Anyway I can't even tell which way her lower body's supposed to face here
>>287155>tbh buying 4k worth of shit is probably Holly just swimming in debt
Holly still lives at home with her mom and brother, her sister has moved out and is pregnant (according to her). She was complaining about her sister "being dumb and not having money" so Holly had to buy a bed for her, but if Holly is so smart and rich, then don't you think she would have moved out by now? What a hypocritical bitch.
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You know she's gonna jump on that Hamilton shit too
She's likely paying half of what she'd be paying for an apartment. That said, if everything adds up she totally would have enough to just move out.
Also, notice how many cats she has and the fact that the carpet is filthy. Now imagine how bad that house must stink.
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oh my god
God, I can just imagine her making a statement like>B-but the noses are slightly different it's not the same face!!!111
It's like she's drawing her own face over and over again
this is comically awful,
like i feel weirdly sorry for her in a "wow you poor, deluded idiot" sorta way. it's amazing how cocksure she is of this flaming garbage.
I wish I could spam that pic all over her YT. Unfortunately…
Also, whenever I see the bitch she drew on that sameface video thumbnail, I feel an urge to punch it. Even her characters are annoying as fuck.>>287118
It's more about the musical than the movie, really.
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this is axel ash levels of spelling fails on top of being unreadable and having 0 flow. absolutely 0 thought was put into the layout of anything she does, and covering panel breaks with speech bubbles is the stupidest choice in the world>>287028
glasses guy looks like someone took kamina and horizontally squished him (pic related)
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Makes me think of pic related, which is not a good thing. Punchable faces ahoy!
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>>287100>H.C seemed to concentrate on showing HEY LOOK BACKGROUNDS and absolutely none on the expressions, the strong focus of musicals.
which is extra funny esp when you consider that the authors note in the script for heathers doubles down on the "focus on the emotions, not the extra details" thing and REALLY drills it home.
i genuinely don't understand it. would it kill you to do a little research holly? idk, if i was gonna create something just for the popularity points i'd at least get to know the material so i don't look like a total fucking idiot
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also: >and camp (less, please!)
What point is there to her no-bs attitude when she had EXTREMELY thin skin? It's like one of those playground bullies that would push everyone off the swings but would burst into tears the second someone called them a dummy.
I think she mentioned in a video somewhere that her aunt was her mom because her real mom was arrested and her aunt raised her or something? Does anyone know anything about that? I'll try and find the video when I get my laptop.
Also can someone please tell me how it's physically possible to not improve after 2 years of practice? I mean, you've GOT to get better SOMEHOW, right? Right?!
i agree, shes a whiny little bitch and thats why i dont bother looking at her twitter or anything, i just watch her videos and try to ignore what shes really like.
there's this artist on tumblr who's pretty well known in the south park fandom who has similar stunted development with her art (the art styles arent alike but theyre equally mediocre in my opinion), however she doesnt throw a hissy fit like holly does whenever someone gives her actual criticism. so it's not just holly, but… it's weird how some people don't improve, sometimes my art improves after as little as a day ?? and i know holly draws all the fucking time so how after all of that practise could she be so fucking stuck ????
>>287498>Add-on to this.
I have a friend who sketches frequently and I've known her since 2008?
To this day her art style is exactly the same as it was back in 2008, same wonky anatomy and weird stiffness. Which is weird because my art has improved leaps and bounds since then because I can compare where I'm at now with then (because I drew our characters together back then) and I think it's a mix of lack of effort, reusing the same techniques (even if they're bad), stubborness, and not taking any foundational classes (i.e. life drawing etc.)
Go to the artist thread on >>>/ot/183490
, don't hijack the Holly thread with her.
True, but I kind of feel that's like comparing apples and oranges? Sure this thread points out how bad Holly's comic/cartoon style is despite art school etc, but in the end she is drawing cartoons and fan art.
Istebrak makes technical digital paintings and critiques other people's attempts at the same thing. Great to watch if you want to learn realism and rendering, but just really boring if you're into cartoons.
Istebrak actually has some helpful line art and character design critiques. Also, I used to think realism was boring and didn't apply to me because I'm into comics…but damn I really didn't know two shits about values, perspective, of anatomy. Moving away from comic tutorials can be helpful because I can't really think of any that actually hammer the fundamentals. Istebrak made me realize that I was a tard for not doing my value studies because they were "Too boring."
Unless I'm mistaken? Are there cartoonists I should be following? I'm honestly interested in listening to artist across mediums.
Like similar how so? Like blunt but shorter videos and least spacey? I feel like it's hard to find someone good at art, is blunt, and has charisma.
I used to videos like Holly's but I felt cheap and dirty doing them. I wonder if other artists feel that way? I also sanitized my opinions on other artists as not to make enemies in the industry.
She says she's trying to lose weight. Most of her blogs show her diets pretty shit tho (nachos/soda/coffee/ravioli etc. but she showed one salad with lots of dried fruit on top?) Her college is online and her job for now is yt, makes it hard to imagine she moves around enough to compensate.
It's pretty hard for artists to lose weight but I don't even know if it'd help that much. Does losing weight make people's face less lumpy?
another anon here, and thank you for this recommendation <3 this dude seem super chill and he also seems to know what he is doing.
Sage for not being about Holleno
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Its funny that Holly mentioned her style was exactly like Naruto b/c she was rlly into that show. Like she said she mastered it and everything. Last time I checked Naruto didn't have jacked up anatomy.
Back to her art style, she has less experience (1-2 yrs) w/ digital art so that explains why it always has that messy painterly no lineart look accept without actual rendering. When I first started digital my work had the same finish. But while I actually saw the muddiness as a serious gross flaw, she sees it as a legitimate style.
THAT took her awhile?
She complains that her digital speed paints get less views but in all honesty this thumbnail shows that she really isn't able to polish it up any more than this atm. She does it all on one layer as well, which would be fine if you were going to render it later, but all she does is leave it in a blocky mess.
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the fucking gay comic she's making tho the characters are so ugly and dont even get me started on the chins and anatomy
Her inking triggers
me as well. But not only that, the way she bitches about doing thumbnails infuriated me. Doing thumbnail sketches help A TON when laying out comps for comics and illustrations… Which explain her piss poor compositions in her pages.
Who actually buys this crap anyway? She doesn't seem to enjoy making comics and bitches about whoever made the front page of that webcomic site, like she deserves a spotlight lol
Rn she's finishing her first comic book ever Purgatory and at this point she keeps repeating phrases like "I just want to get it over w/ so I can work on Paranormal Plague (her next comic idea)"
If she's so bored w/ it why doesn't she make it more interesting? I've been reading her comic and its pretty fucking boring. Two gay boys in a religious cult. They're in love and she expects that to tantalize you considering they're in a religious setting where gay stuff is a no-no. Thing is, there's not even anything that suggests anyone is going to know about the relationship. No tension of them possibly getting caught, so what's the point of this setup? wtf
Holly instead rests all of the drama and character development on the MC being molested by an old guy.
>When you've been following Holly for some time>Wondering why she keeps on talking about how to write gay characters shit over and over when her comic's main pairing is clearly het>That shocking realization that no, that black haired chick is actually a dude and you think you're going blind.>That moment you realize that no, she's just that bad at drawing.
I almost want to read her comic to see if she's at least done the narrative/writing right, or the characters are cool. Almost. The plot sounds bland af though.>>289045
wtf is going on. What am I looking at. Why is half his dick brown. Why does the bottom (?) look like he's in pain in the top panel. None of this makes sense to me.
She said she wanted to try to get into storyboarding now? which is why she made the Heathers thing.>>289034
Holly shits on many artists behind their back or in her streams, so it's hard to find, but then tries to act nicer and backpedal in front of them. She'd get a bunch of shit from fans of the other artists, specially since they cross over channels sometimes.
Her streams are something else, constant burping, slurping saliva, and when her brother interrupts the stream it gets really fucked up. One time she was arguing with him while her friends were on skype shitting on him too and the entire audience didn't know what the fuck to do with themselves. It's really uncomfortable, starts around the 1:37 mark and at 1:50 but it kept going for the whole stream everytime he'd show up.
Her edgy underage friend is really fucking annoying, she only made shit worse "don't be a bitch Dylan" "don't be a cunt" how do you say this shit about some guy you've never seen?
Oh godly anon, how do you even manage all three at once? How did you even start? I'm asking because I'm really interested in starting a comic on my own, so…
(And I see people like Holly and I think to myself, if this bitch got 100k subs on youtube, maybe I can gain an audience too.)
But damn anon, where and how did you get the motivation to keep on trucking for FOUR years before you got an audience?
sage for derailing.
She sounds like a miserable bitch. You're trying to stream and seem somewhat credible, yet you're going to bitch at your viewers and then make everyone uncomfortable with your hatred for your brother?
Anyone else get a little creeped out when she started muttering obscenities after his second appearance?
Oh god, I was so uncomfortable when she started muttering to herself. So unprofessional.
And I don't know, anon, I just really love art!
If it made me as miserable as Holly I probably would have quit after a month. I realized early on into my first comic that I had my head up my ass and people didn't owe me shit.
I give myself a pretty rigid schedule and do huge buffers. Honestly, I'm nothing special. I work a graphic design job so I'm not exactly drained after a day of work. I sort of just add a new project anytime I'm not feeling challenged.
Also to not derail, have another triggering
video of Holly using vinyl on her silk screens because she can't understand emulsion. UGH. Who lets you have nice things?
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this was so cringe holy shit
ugh her friends are just as horrible and that muttering was just.. ugh
The way she swore under her breath like that… Holy shit, I wouldn't be surprised if she starts hearing voices and shit. Fucking scary.
ALSO, who the hell holds a sword like that? What kind of swing (with the sword) is Jack doing? How is this- fuck whatever, I'm done being triggered
by this psycho.
guys, guys, maybe she's just stuck in her chuunibyou phase and thinks swearing is cool and edgy!
No really, I think she thinks that swearing like that will add to her whole "tough gal" facade and make her look cooler to her preteen followers. Considering what I've seen so far and her general immature, childish mentality, I wouldn't put it past her.
I know! I felt so bad for her brother too. I understand not everyone is best friends with their siblings, but swearing at them, calling them worthless, and mocking them with your internet friends (who don't even know him!) is fucking awful.
Anyway, I'm not certain, but I assume her brother is around 18-20. In her stream, she mentioned that all he does is smoke weed, so he's probably in his teens at least. She also complained about him being in the house and how he should move out already, which is fucking rich coming from her.
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She said at around 1:40:00 that he's 25. I don't get why she hates him so much and went on mumbling for hours about him just going to ask her a question. She is a mega brat and all that unnecessary swearing is super cringe-worthy. Maybe she should smoke some weed with him and chill out.
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holy shit that muttering under her breath, calling him a stupid motherfucker after he asks a question like she's about to blow a gasket over livestream.. yikes. clearly it's a race to the bottom in this family
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Made it to 20:55 and the only thing that can be said about her is that she's a salty cunt. Even more so than some of the users here. The way she goes on and on about "fuckin fuck this and fuckn fuck that" is just so annoying and embarrassing as well.
Her comic art and anatomy is horrid, especially with her ego/attitude. Some of the things in her store aren't too bad, but when it comes to her comics is any quality goes down somehow? Also she doesn't clean her gross nails for the product pictures (pic related).>>289091
She treats her friend(s) and viewers/ potential customers like garbage and she has the gall to spew about how to get people to buy your things? Wow.
Not sure if this will be a big post, but damn, I've only just been introduced to her and i already dislike her eugh
Off topic I know.
Do you mind explaining further on how her drawings lack structure and depth?
Learning things like that is neat.
it's critique though, right? So not all THAT off topic…
Not same anon but if you ever watch her sketch you can see that she doesn't plan or map anything out. All her characters end op looking off model and wonky. Like if you look at them from panel to panel they do not look they same.
She's curbs this a bit by having "a style" meaning she's made up a bunch of symbols that read as different things. It's why she only has a handful of expressions and poses. Just look at her pose book. She obsessed with making symbols and looking at models as a way to cheat at art and not have an actual understanding of the underlying structure as a model.
Depth, I'm not sure. It could be her flat and lazy perspective work of her lazy attempts with values, colour, and lighting. Anything she does is a shortcut. Just look at her how to draws, it's all just "cheats".
In addition she's awful at design work. I don't at least a dozen designs of something before actually putting it in an illustration let alone a comic book. She HATES planning and calls people who edit scripts "childish."
If she edited scripts, she wouldn't have people sending her corrections on her comic pages.
I'm working on a comic and character consistency throughout the pages makes me nervous.
Same anon here.
From the comic pages posted here, the line weight and variation is mostly uniform. Typically, linework in the foreground should be thicker than in the background. Not to mention that she is inconsistent with perspective like in the last panel >>287014
, where the floorboards should be receding into a single vanishing point.
You can all tell by the bad anatomy and the melting faces that there is no sense of structure. For example, look at the right arm on this character >>286985
. The fingers shouldn't be wrapping around the pole like that. Also the figures are very stiff, just not enough exaggeration and expression for cartoons.
She does a lot of symbol drawing like one of the previous anon said. The eyes and mouths are like stickers.
Her designs are all the same, same kind of body, same hands, same faces, like a lesser johannathemad. Simply put, everything lacks variation and experimentation.
She spends a lot of time drawing, but creating art requires a lot of planning and thinking, I'd say like at least 60% research and idea development. She doesn't do that. Time and effort mean nothing, only the results. Unfortunately like many artists, she skipped a bunch of steps when she should be going back and learning fundamental skills. She's not advanced enough to be attempting the things she's doing because she's just misleading beginning artists with her rants and 'tips'.>>289593
In the Calarts video, she claims that she was accepted but chose not to go. Not sure if anyone can back up that claim?
I used to hang around artist circles for years and I saw a lot of different artist types and went through plenty of phases myself, but ultimately chose a different career path, partly because of the awful people like Holly in the artist scene. To me Holly is one of those artist types that has a huge superiority complex and absolutely hates being challenged, but at the same time she acknowledges that she's not reaching the bar even high enough to be considered mediocre. Which is why she is so defensive about criticism and facing her flaws. She reacts so aggressively to thumbnailing and other means of editing/planning because it would make her think about all the things she's doing wrong and she clearly doesn't want that, even if it would mean improving. To her, improving seems to be scary for the reason I stated, it would make her face her flaws.
She also thrives on putting other people and ideals down because to her, offensive is the best defense. If she's already attacking something she (in her mind at least) puts herself in the position of an authority figure. I'm guessing all the bullshit about not being able to work because "it's taking away from her art, boo" is related to her superiority complex, she thinks she's entitled to live out her non-profit comic dreams and not sink to the level of people working part-time at fast food chains and grocery stores.
Ergo, I think it's extremely important to pull bitches like this off their high horse because as you've noticed her followers are very young and impressionable. If they'll assume this toxic mindset they'll end up like her and spread it even further. >>289086>That shocking realization that no, that black haired chick is actually a dude and you think you're going blind.
Yyyeaaahh, I think being a blatant trap fetishist kind of disregards her rants about writing believable gay characters. >>289558
And once again the characters look extremely wonky and at the same time they share an almost identical face. And once again the hands look like claws. She repeats the same mistakes over and over again. And holy shit I thought anons were exaggerating her nails but fuck that's gross. >>289675
Symbol drawing works when you're figuring out measurements and practicing poses but Holly's characters look like she literally just inked over the symbols without giving them depth or curves. I'm seconding the anon who said she needs to do more life drawing because she seems to have zero sense of composition. The reason her poses look so awkward and stiff is because no normal people move like clothing store mannequins. It's not enough to know basic anatomy, you have to have some sort of sense about real-life limb/body movement. That Heathers animatic she made pretty much revealed how she has no idea how people move.
And I guess the lack of experimentation and variation comes from the superiority complex I talked about earlier. She's dug herself a nice little hole to stay in and she's not coming out.
Lmao I bet she's lying. This chick's sketchbook is MILES better than anything Holly could ever produce and she got rejected.>>289714
She has a thread on /pt. The thumbnail is of a fat chick on a blue wig and black clothing. Also, to sage you gotta write "sage" on the email field.
>That Heathers animatic she made pretty much revealed how she has no idea how people move.
Rich b/c in one of her videos she rants about her old art school for giving more scholarships/opportunities to animation students than illustrators and has the gall to say animation is easy when she's only managed to shit out a couple gross gifs and one animatic.
She herself wanted to study animation but ultimately chickened out b/c of competition and the fact Disney switched over to 3D stuff.
You'd think she's make some effort for the cover but the title isn't even centered and there's 3 hands showing for 2 characters and they look exactly the same.
There's simply no weight to them, it doesn't even look like they're interacting together. I'm guessing they're lovers but the shorter one seems to be pushing the other's hand away gently.
It's crazy how little effort she puts into her stuff. She could ask two people to hold a pose to at least have a reference, how hard is that?
She's nicer to those cows than she's ever been to her viewers lmfao her voice completely changes. She relates, being a lolcow herself>>289194
What bothers me the most is that she wants to rush Purgatory only because she likes her new Paranormal Plague OCs better, even if the story is way less developed. It's like she made Purgatory when she was in this strong fujoshi kick and now she's over it and keeps bitching about it because she wants to draw her new so manly OC. Not shitting, Paranormal Plague has three main characters but she keeps obsessing and developing pretty much only the guy and she even made a self insert marysue to be his girlfriend. And this is what she wants to drop Purgatory for.
>"Cell-shading is the laziest shit ever">Cuts corners mid way in her own comic
She's not going to color Paranormal Plague painting it like that. She would take forever, and the coloring's still ugly. I thought she wanted the comic to be very 80s and bold… of course she wouldn't research for her color scheme.
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Paranormal plague's concept is basically animorphs and yet shes even worse at drawing animals than humans.
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This guys face tho, I can't believe she has the audacity to complain and put down other artists with her stupid friends when her art looks like this>that Dorito chin>weird eye
>Is it seriously about people who turn into animals or…?
Well she hasn't started it yet but she has explained in a video the concept being a group of college students who investigate mysterious activities/fight crime in a city where some people randomly have the ability to shape shift into animals b/c of a 'plague' hence the name 'paranormal plague'
Actually sounds kind of cool, if only she had the technical ability to illustrate it well and wasn't a obnoxious person
>I kinda want to send her the link to this page
Nah, its way more fun and spontaneous for ppl to discover their dedicated hate threads when googling themselves and then freak out publicly
Agreed on the link thing.
But doesn't 'plague' signify something like, negative? Like the bubonic plague or something?
I really don't think Holly has the necessary writing skills to pull the plot off, esp. when she's only developed her bishe mc. I tried writing a complex story by only developing the characters and six years later I'm still no where and I highly doubt Holly has the perseverance.
Looking forward to seeing this comic flop.>>289826
Fucking kek'd at the video anon. Thanks for the share.
At first glance I liked her backgrounds, but honestly they're flat and perspective is all over the place. >>289863
Honestly, yes. This audience is one of the easiest to pander to. Though, if you really want to make bank and sell lots, pander to furry fandom. Fujoshit will get you a bunch of preteen girls with no money. You'd be surprised how many rich furries there are willing to spend ludicrous amounts (industry rates) on their fursonas. Holly isn't even selling out in the right way. Yeesh learn to shill better.
In other words, Fujos beg for discounts while furries shower you with tips.
(Also if you actually draw adult gay men instead of lady boys you can get a chunk more change from a smaller but richer audience).
Related video: Holly getting screwed over by the shitty audience while simultaneously being the worst at basic art business practices.
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Manga studio didn't immediately fix all her problems?! I'm so shocked.
Why does she think buying art supplies will fix all her problems? She talks about her brother's 'get rich quick schemes' when she's constantly buying stuff like it'll actually make a difference to her art quality.
right? she's always mentioning that she's trying to lose weight
I guess she probably gave up
i genuinely thought at first that you squished the face like in >>287218
but then i scrolled up and fucking loled>>289748
i think it was in the thread in /ot that i said that all her faces look like the halfway point on an animorphs cover anyway so, appropriate? >>289922
the pic the thumbnail of this vid is from has to be the absolute shittiest thing she's ever put out. that character's fucking hair makes me want to punch everything in a four foot radius every time i see it
that characters hair triggers
me so much, i always think all the characters she draws look like they are wearing a helmet but that one is just so fucking ridiculous
like people who buy expensive cameras and suddenly now they are a ~photographer~
sage that just pisses me off so much lol
Does anyone know what she talking about with the digital line quality? Is she seriously zoomed in and tying to perfect her lines?
Like I'm triggered
by how she's colouring and the fact she's got only 5 layers. But does she realize if she uses a large canvas and doesn't zoom in 1000x she'll get smoother lines? It's like that cintiq is the same size as your sketchbooks. It shouldn't be a hard transition.
But oh wait, fuck learning a new thing. Holly is a prodigy genius.
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Not sure if anyone here watches the Pizza Party Podcast but on the most recent episode I noticed our dear art goddess Holly commented to talk about how Butch Hartman's (Creator of Fairly Odd Parents) coloring is atrocious. I don't like a lot of things about his style either but I found this pretty rich coming from her. Especially the "other artist in the same age range" part since practically any artist in college (Hell, even high school) has more skill than her
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Holly just belongs in the trash at this point
shes good at copying- like if you look at her figure studies for school, she can copy pretty good. and she has an ok grasp of color. but when she draws without looking at a model she just cannot. plus, either she looks in a mirror too much for facial reference or just is too comfortable in that style, because her faces/expression are horrifying.
also her story telling is atrocious, plus her general attitude is just aggravating. she also a problem saying she hates a certain thing then in the next second, doing that exact thing. its tiresome
this is pissing me off so much. "I wanted this tablet so I could colour faster. I'm not good with my Intuous because I don't use it enough" holy shit this bitch just wasted like a thousand bucks on something she'll probably barely use when she already has a functional tablet and her reasoning is "I'm too fucking lazy to just learn how to use my intuous"
from her subscriber count probably, she thinks 100k subs = good at art
it doesn't help that her fans pretty much enable her and her bad attitude
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Not even surprised at this point
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she got the mouth right at least
I use my cheap Chinese knockoff tablet as a coaster sometimes but a fucking Cintiq?!>>291634
A shit ton of professional mangaka composite and arrange panels digitally. Literally what is she saying.
I've never paid attention to the artist YT scene so I've never heard of this person, but my body is 70% salt right now.
Huion H610 Pro. I had Wacom's Intuos 3 and Intuos Pro (basically the Intuos 4), both medium-sized models, prior and the Huion is extremely comparable in everything but hardware (it feels cheaper, unsurprisingly). The drivers are extremely stable and have never crashed on me, however.
Here's a thorough review of my model:>http://frenden.com/post/87110791272/huion-h610-pro-h610-k58-graphics-tablet-review
I dunno how familiar you are with digital drawing, but if you want to size up/splurge, there's also a massive tablet also by Huion (the Giano) that I heard really great things about.
Not that anon but I'm selling my 13HD in favor of a Huion h610 Pro (not a display tablet). I line with SAI and it personally gives a me a better experience without the parallax. The parallax on small cintiqs is ridiculous imo but I know many are fine with it.
Plus I like the rougher textured surface than the intouses I've owned>>291873
oh shit lol
Oh lol, I'm the Huion anon you're replying to! We're in opposite situations. I was looking to get a Cintiq (specifically a 13HD!) because while I love sketching and painting on my Huion, doing clean lineart feels really unintuitive on a non-display tablet. If the parallax is that bad, I think I'll have to wait for the newer gen of Cintiqs to get devalued, then.
Apparently there's a newer model of the H610, fyi to you two:http://www.parkablogs.com/content/review-new-huion-1060plus-graphics-tablet-built-8gb-memory
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they're not wrong but
here we go lol
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for some reason this panel makes me die laughing every time. this entire thing is a joke
I wonder if Holly will have another twitter tantrum >>291925
kek even her own characters don't know what's going on
Her writing videos are a gold mine of bad advice (then again which one of her videos isn't?).
Purgatory looks like a lot of comics I like, but only at a glance. The edgy black and white gay comic about occult shit. I find they always get confusing and their creators tend to get their head up their ass with symbolism and such. I know one creator that confused their audience so much at the end of their comic they had to summarize the whole plot to make it comprehensible.
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"Don't brag about how much time and effort you put in. Brag about how rushed your project was! :D Then no one can critique you because 'lol, i didn't even care anyways.'"
God. Her attitude reminds me of 12 year old I'm so dark and hate the world me. Art skills were probably on the same level too. lol.
Also "how long did that take you?" Is probably the most common question I get.
Does she not see her constant hypocrisy and negative attitude? Why does she have to be so fucking mean spirited and whiny all the time to begin with? And why do people find this admirable? >>292241
Wow, if she gave lip like that to her art teachers it's no wonder she dropped out of art school. She clearly can't handle criticism at all even if it would help her improve.
I like how she didnt even understand their comment.
They said if holly feels like she cant have opinions due to critique thats on her and she doesnt have a spine for her own opinions on things.
Like no where in the comment did they say that holly isnt allowed to have opinions or she cant teach people things because shes garbage or anything like that.
so i have no fucking idea where she even got that.
it seems like she just ranted on that person and accidentally blamed them for her insecurities
The ass kissing in the comments is wild, I don't know how people can stand her anymore. She's getting cuntier by the day, and a bigger lolcow with every new bitchy video she uploads, is she self aware at all?
She keeps complaining about 12 year olds but look at the comments, literally every single one of her fans is 13. And that's because her nasty mean attitude only appeals to edgy preteens. She's as immature as her audience.
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>>292279>a fan commented how, she's being persecuted like Onision
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Um….You've made the background lines thinner and your characters not longer express or look their age. Good job???
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Holly sure is busy messing things up today, huh? She's decided to make her comic red now.
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She deleted the comments holy fuck
The fucking doorknob panel is in this. I'll never get over it.>>292366
God she's such a child. No wonder why so many can't catch her livestreams, they're all at school.
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she deleted these tweets too
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I can't get over her character's long ass faces and apparent lack of skulls.
>speech bubbles over the gaps between panels>sometimes obscuring them completely
THIS IS WHY YOUR COMICS ARE UNREADABLE REEEEEEEEEEE
seriously tho why does she bother giving a character glasses when she isn't going to bother to draw the damn lines straight >>292395
much less figure out how they look from an angle. looks like a weird superhero mask or something on top of making his expressions so hard to read from a distance.
I can't even tell which is the newest and which is the oldest??
Like the upper one has nicer people but the lower one is more readable so I don't know which one is supposed to be the improvement??
I started reading her comic awhile ago and I'm sad to see she change the characters so much, they were actually cute in the beginning
and she thinks its an improvement?? tf
So the lower one is the "better" version?
lmao at the perspective
Showed this to my colourblind friend, she can no long see the comic lol.
I'm jealous now, because it's giving me a migraine.
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I also just realized that she's basically living in just as much filth as Ash. And is also living with her parents.
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>>292718>the only thing she could say was her art was 'better.'
What the fuck Holly? This comic has a million layers more depth and energy than her shitty work. Why is she always so ridiculously hateful towards other artists? Does she think badmouthing others automatically makes her more talented than they are?
>>292718>the only thing she could say was her art was 'better.'
In what video did she do this?
Holy shit, Holly has some nerve. This comic is miles better than that pile of shit she calls Purgatory.
Oh, gross. Yuko seems like an absolute sweetheart, I used to read her slice-of-life webcomic during my bus rides home in high school. Holly's egotism just baffles the utter hell out of me. I guess I'd…kind
of get it if she had the talent to back up how nasty and boastful she is (not that it'd be anymore justifiable), but she's just so hilarious awful. I just don't get it. What even makes a person this dense and bitter?
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I think its just watching her insist on doing things the hard way when she could be using her time more efficiently, like say getting her comic done quicker like she wanted or actually improving her anatomy and other glaringly obvious flaws,
that makes me frustrated as an observer
The video linked in >>287116
is where she said it, I think.
I couldnt find it but I remember she went to like, Borders or some shit and was like, this is so basic my art is way better. I almost broke a window because Yuko is one of my art idols. the entire thing is ridiculous.
I really believe she thinks if she buys fancy supplies she'll become better, when no she does not.
Whoa, learned something new today. Asked her about it, I guess she has something else with her eyes apparently? Like she has trouble with high contrast particularly red on white. She always has to get the teachers to not use red on her papers or on the whiteboard. She said she tells everyone colourblind because it's quicker.
Either way the comic is now an impossible nonsense to her (though I guess it was before too).
This is amazing compared to her shit. Just look at how much more interesting these 2 pages alone are. And it doesn't hurt my eyes.
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Wtf is she even talking about. Those expressions are an awesome example of subtle yet simple stylized art. Holly, you really aren't in a position to comment on art…I just…you don't understand the most basic shit. How are you confused about these expressions? I haven't even read this and I can feel the emotions and intent.
(assuming I got the right artist here, lol)
At the beginning I thought she was just rude, but she is so delusional. Her art needs so much improvement and she could just put what she thinks is true in positive words, like 'hey, I think my drawings are just as good as this amazing book, let's submit it somewhere' instead of saying it's shit.
Did she ever hear back from any of the publishers? Also, kek at the double page spread she's so proud of at 14.25, you could never print this because the dude is right in the middle.>>292860
Ah, makes sense! But as you said, she's not missing out (in this case). >>292886
Yeah, I don't get why she said that. Her expressions all look the same.
I wish she went to school.
It could either help her or just provide some more hilarious delusional raging.
Her inking is trash for sure but thats such a glaringly obvious thing compared to how shes making her mechanical pencils commit suicide with each line she draws. YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO HEAR YOUR PENCIL SCREECH WITH EVERY LINE YOU MAKE. She handles it like a child and its really disturbing that shes been to / is in school yet cant sketch without most likely harming both the paper and her pencil. Not to mention
'Fucking' 'fucking' 'FucKING' 'fucken' 'fuggin' 'fuckinn'
Even her cursing vocabulary is as bland as her comic and art style.
I'm sorry anon I have very little knowledge in art, but what does it mean for your pencil to screech and why is that bad (besides potentially ruining the pencil?)
I mean, aren't some cheap pencils just build really badly? (but then again, I highly doubt Holly would buy anything cheap with the way she splurges on everything. what is saving money.)
Not defending just genuinely curious.
sage for OT
It means shes very heavy handed when she draws. While shes sketching you hear how awful and loud the led is when it hits the paper and while it can be a number of things, you also see how dark her pencil lines are and no matter what type of led you use, if theyre that dark while sketching from start to finish, its ultimately from being heavy handed, this also means you damage paper (but tbh thats just nit picky bullshit and just hurts her when shes trying to erase shit and/or scan later)
its just very juvenile and means she also has a hard grip on her mechanical pencil which hurts your wrist / strains fingers etc which again isnt good.
Basically its just amazing that even her sketching is sub par, horrific and excuted in the dumbest and most childish of ways.
Also dont worry I understand wanting to know why thats an issue, its aiight anon dear
Please no leave musicals alone already Holly>>289247>Meanwhile she's been working on this thing 2 years? and wants to give up? Does she realize you can work on multiple comics?
This is kinda funny, she has multiple videos in which she talks about she can/tries to work on multiple projects at once.
(For reference, one of them is the one I just embedded and she starts talking about that 5 minutes in)
she talks about how she shouldnt work on one thing forever, and not have a focus on one thing…
But shouldn't it be good to atleast have one project be your "thing" while having other projects at the same time?
She sounds like such a generalist with no focus.
It honestly seems like she has no actual interest? Everything she does is just to get paid or whats popular she literally has nothing i would say is original or "her"
(not counting the bad art/art style)
She really needs to find something she actually likes and try to get better at that thing
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You can see what it looks like when she tries to erase things here. It doesn't really work, gets streaky and wrinkles the paper. This way, she couldn't redraw things that often without ripping the paper/ the structure breaks and you're not able to draw that well on it anymore.
is anyone else bothered by the mechanical pencil she chooses to draw with?
Whenever i see a artist use this cheap pencil they are ALWAYS heavy handed
"You can't just have 1 thing and expect it to sell."
Bitch, you just jealous that I can sell one graphic novel and make beyond cost at a convention. That's the power of QUALITY over quantity.
I've really gotten rid of clutter at my con tables and focus marketing efforts on my newest graphic novel these days. Multiple skews isn't inherently better, it can confuse and overwhelm and makes it clear you chase gimmicks and trends rather than having your own space with staying power.
She's young so I don't think she knows much about comics. If she finds this thread I suggest she doesn't cheap out with her paper. Thick, multi media paper with a smooth texture and literally says "erases easily" should solve her erasing issues.
Also she can draw her comic in a blue pencil first and do the final lines with a dark pencil. A blue pencil (Light blues) won't show well when scanning and whatever does show can be cleaned up digitally for a completely smooth look.
Heck, some programs even cleans up dust for you.
Her erasing really triggers
Ha! That's nothing, go to 8:00 of this video. And then remember she inks her comic on a light table.
(She's stopped doing this nowadays, but she still used to do this)
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You're right, this is worse! Is she actually filling in the black with more pencil??? And then she complains constantly about how long it takes to finish a page when she's doing something so unnecessary! Most artists mark black areas with "x".
Also, I don't know about you guys but her comment on this person's post irritated me.
It's just unnecessary and a waste of pencil lead
she could simply put a small note/or an "X" where it's supposed to be all black but instead she just fills it in with a shitton of pencil/that she's gonna go over anyway with ink
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that's what I was thinking, She even changed her tumblr and instagram name
Funny, her and the Holly gang are always talking shit and act tough but once confronted or called out
they run or make an 8 minute video on why you're wrong
On another note maybe the reason Holly is so bitter is because she doesn't have any irl friends. Or maybe because she's so bitter and abrasive, it's difficult for her to make some. She's a mystery
she is also OBSESSED with mentioning how theyre young teens and Simon gets molested by an older man. I remember my skin crawling when she was cackling over 'the good part coming up' with Simon being molested.
She is seriously deranged. It's also super fucking rude that she's so pro LGBT but she's willing to change a character just to get published. honestly I just think Holly is a fame hungry cunt
is she really criticizing Scott McCloud….Scott fucking McCloud…the successful comic artist who's written several comics and won awards for his work? the nerve she has.
if someone had used the same exact critique against her work she'd lose it
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>when ur shoulder is dislocated and your forearm cut in half
She surely makes me feel better about my art.
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lol i hope she does.
tbh I am super light handed and when I am using textured it makes the sound no matter what, unless it's like super super invisible thin light line. Bot trying to defend her or anything because yeah, as shown in >>293154
her paper is smudge hell.
Just saying so some people don't get insecure or whatever, you can make sounds when drawing.
Sage for bullshit.
I used to feel so self-conscious about my anatomy because that's not my strong suit. I got so self conscious because of her videos bashing bad anatomy, and now I see this. I don't feel so bad about mine anymore! At least I'm trying to better my anatomy and can admit that I'm not the best at it.
Sage for rant
sage again for samefagging
is bottom guy freaking out because one of his hands seems to only have 3 fingers on it? why is he throwing the live long and prosper gesture like a gang sign?
i guess top guy's face of pain is because his face is sliding off and it's taking his shoulder with it
Holy shit anon, I didn't even notice both shitty hands on Hamilton (The bottom guy) lmao>>294087
Glad to see Holly is making us all feel better about ourselves.
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Personal favourite highlights from the update today.
Holy fuck, his mumps on the third pannel.
Also, it does looks like she's kinda fetishing abuse with some of those lines, but I may be wrong…
i looked thru her other yaoi one https://tapas.io/episode/486029
that arm god damn
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some of it, it looks like
I think they were pointing out the flaws like how some of the text is just squished into the speech bubbles
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Every time I see Holly's art, I immediately think Don Martin… Except Don Martin knew how to draw.
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I feel bad saying this but uh…
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Did she use her own face for reference for the old molester guy? The resemblance…
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all of her characters look like they want to come onto the shotas
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Tell me about
God, look at his face!
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Guess who's a popular bitch
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Holy fuck, the arm of the smaller guy i'm dying>>294270
tbh i think she references her face for all of her characters. It's the same proportions for all of them
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I knew it reminded of something.
"You like jazz?"
also pic related
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Shit, I created an account just to see how bad the porn comic is, and it was worthy it. The lines are so shitty and jesus fuck the anatomy.
I normally would feel bad for mocking other people's art, but she does that with other people all the time even though her art is 8th grader tier
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She's almost good enough to get a job drawing DVD covers for older animated movies.
Jesus anon, spoil that shit.
>That downsy look on his face>That off-centered dick.>That fucking hand gripping his thigh.>That thumb on his right hand>That hair that looks like one of ash's "styled" wigs.
I might be nitpicking but holy shit.
Another anon mentioned something along these lines but christ I think the only thing Holly is good for is to make other people feel better about their art.
I mean, I GUESS that's a way to contribute to society??
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this is getting ridiculous
this is absolutely inexcusable. Holly is the single worst "professional" artist I've ever seen. Her art is terrible, her personality is terrible. Nothing about her as an artist or a person is redeemable. It's honestly taken all the restraint I have not to actively antagonize her online.
I really hope this girl gets her wake up call. I hope she realizes her own hypocrisy and her shortcomings and either shuts up and works harder or just gives up all together. The way things are now, if she refuses to improve and just continues drawing terrible, bland comics and shitting on her fans and other artists, she's going to go nowhere in art or life.
I hope she applies for all sorts of professional positions at well-known companies and is rejected from every single one.
Holly is the most mediocre artist on the internet and does not have nearly enough skill to talk big game like she does. There are dozens of competent, friendly, and consistently professional comic artists I associate with on a daily basis who don't have even half the fanbase she does and deserve it a thousand times more than she does.
sage for rant. tldr, Holly sucks and im triggered
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Bonus points: Erotica and explicit content with the express purpose of titillating is banned on tapas. It's against TOS and she shouldn't even be posting it there.
Though there isn't anything sexy about this.
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I thought these were pretty rich coming from her, especially the outlined tweet. You literally act like anyone who doesn't kiss your ass, is out to get you. Quit telling other artists what to do.
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Yeah something like that, she uploaded an update and it turns out she deleted them because she wasn't feeling sure about her art. Interestingly enough, she mentioned that she received a lot of harsh criticism from a friend and she can't stop thinking about it. Maybe I'm reaching here but what are the chances that that friend was Holly?
She didn't. Unfortunately she deleted the video, but she apparently sent in a sketch book and it was rejected. The response she made about it was basically, "CalArts is so stupid, my sketchbook is obviously the best and they rejected me because they didn't understand my vision and they have no idea how to judge a sketch book" or some shit. The comment section to that video was amazing because everyone called her out for her bullshit and some said that she deserved to get rejected.
I knew I should of saved that video!
Okay, NOT defending Holly but >Unfortunately she deleted the video, but she apparently sent in a sketch book and it was rejected.
I'm pretty darn sure she said in that video that she DID get accepted into calarts, but opted not to attend b/c money. And she talked about all these other rejected sketchbook carat submissions being so good but didn't get in b/c calarts has very strict 'dumb' regulations.
Her rant was about how calart's selection process is dumb b/c sketchbooks r very personal and junk. The reason why ppl got mad about it is b/c if your applying to a prestigious art school you shouldn't complain about their requirements. That's like a person complaining a job didn't hire them b/c the place didn't like their portfolio.
>the response she made about it was basically, "CalArts is so stupid, my sketchbook is obviously the best
She said the a lot of the rejected sketchbooks were works of art and amazing, she doesn't say hers are the best. Highly suspect why Holly ranted about it after apparently getting accepted tho. Like she cares about all those other ppl who didn't get in.
But yeah, we only have Holly's word she got accepted
I dunno, man. I was exaggerating my last post a bit (I've also been drinking), hell maybe I was drinking when I watched her CalArts video too or maybe I just got so triggered
I couldn't pay attention. The one thing I do remember was a comment from a person saying they attended CalArts and they tried to explain to Holly why she didn't get in.
I understand anon, I just try not to spread misinformation when I can help it cuz i like fact not fiction
I remember reading through the comments and there was a lot of ppl accusing her of not actually getting in as her motivation for the rant
So I bet the comment ur referring to either
1) assumed holly bluffed about getting accepted and provided criticism on the holly's sketchbook (In the rant video she was flipping through her sketchbooks)
2) or provided more analysis on why those other sketchbooks from rejected artists didn't make it (i.e. they didn't make sure to fit the criteria enough/ not enough life drawings etcetera)
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I looked up on Google for the video just in case anyone had mirrored it (I don't know why but you never know) and this came up, seems like a site that had the video embeded or something.
I don't know what to make out of it, I am just really curious to see the video now hahah Makes me wanna ask her why she deleted it.
Either way, I don't believe she ever got in anyway and just lied about it kek
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googled the same thing after seeing this, and found a thread where they mention holly. according to people there she was rejected, the video was a rejection rant.
this is the thread: https://yuki.la/ic/2821811
pic related. sorry if it's been mentioned before.
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Image from that thread, top kek
(saged because i don't know if it was already posted)
No she said she got accepted in the rant. There was even another video she made where she mentioned it titled "Should you go to art school?" where she talks about her art school experience and why she switched to online school.
But I can't find that video either cause she fukin deleted it
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> according to people there she was rejected, the video was a rejection rant
Its not a rejection rant if in the video she says she got accepted
Not saying its true but the video's intent was rant not rejection rant, which is important for this threads narrative
Why is everyone so sure she got accepted? I don't think she'd make a long, ranting video and delete it out of shame if that was the case. Sounds like she got rejected and lied about it to save face in the video (but, given who she is, couldn't contain her salt to make her lie sound believable).
I mean, why would anyone apply to CalArts if they didn't have the money/financial aid/scholarships in the first place? They wouldn't. It's incredibly competitive, and graduating from there will waltz you through the door of the animation industry. She's definitely lying.>>295647
This image sums up my thoughts about it. I get that you're trying to say "she said
she got accepted", but we're not arguing that point. We're talking about how it seems like she was lying about it. It was definitely a rejection rant.
Yeah, I agree she was rejected. Not only her art is not CalArts material AT ALL (They are looking for people that really understand anatomy and form, not people that just pretend to do), but
>Waah wahh so many people with great art get rejected because CalArts don't get their STYLE!!!11 for 15+ minutes >o no but not me i just suddenly started caring about other artists, the shit mouthing them is scheduled to next week's video>and imma delete this video because i am telling too much truth, mortal ears can't bare it
Video related, this guy has amazing art and still got rejected probably because it still didn't have enough gesture, understanding of lighting, environment and such. (I mean, it did have those things, but I believe just not -enough-.
I think another part of this guy's problem is that he isn't showing his thought process on the page. Mediocre is fine if you can show that you think.
Pro tip for anyone trying to get in, show that you have a thought process. I mean, This guy has a lot of studies and character designs but neither are related to one another. Start with studies and then push them into characters, that'll show what they want to see. Just look at all his animal studies and then notice that he doesn't do anything with them. Nothing in his sketchbook really shows a learning process.
This makes me just…there is no way Holly got in with her inability to plan and develop.
Oh, good to know. Not that I plan to study at CalArts, I am not even american lmao but it's good to create a portifolio for elsewhere, I think.
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She is actually selling this on a pin. Those hands just don't look right at all. I know that enamel pins are small, but wouldn't you at least proof your work?
That leg looks like it was severed, not bent inward. That hair still manages to trigger
the line work on that left hand/arm is triggering
me. i sincerely hope she loses all her business and has to start all over again with proper technique and art.
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the spooky thing she does in her vlogs where she lets us see her reflection in the window in the dead of the night
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ALL YOU DO IS BITCH. How is she so blatantly unaware of herself?
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You don't have a ~style~ holly, you just don't not how to draw at all.
Right? shit is frustrating
Can we just talk about how annoying her fans are? I barely made it through this video
Wow, her followers are just as gross and obnoxious as she is holy shit.
Also, who the fuck gets that confused opening a package?
part of me really wants her to see this and the /ot/ art thread. like maybe seeing so many people pissed and annoyed would wake her up.
but then I remember where I am and who I'm talking about
I always thought it was due to her association with the game grumps. She still tweets them and shit, so that's gotta get some of their fans going to her for a chance to get closer with the actual game grump group. Y'know, because she's such a cool "birb" mom and so "relatable.">>296410
This sounds like an awful idea. Holly had no qualms about name-dropping that other significantly smaller youtuber in one of her recent vids and subsequently having said smaller youtuber receive tons of hate (for something that was true; she said Holly was always fucking negative). I have no doubts she would her video rants would hint about going on here and then she would whine about how we all hate her for reasons. Then she would casually drop the name of the entire site at some point to her curious viewers and we'd get a massive wave of her dumbass underage fanbase that we don't need.
Okay, this answers a ton of questions that I had. Sorry for the mix up everyone! If that is the case, then I am also really confused on how she gained this much damn popularity. >>296461https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtPeNRMPGg&ab_channel=HollyBrownVlogs
She even publicly posted the video link when the commenter said to DM it to her, lmao. Around 4:00 she starts on her tangent.
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So this happened.
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>>296496>way to be petty
Look in the fucking mirror Holly
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>>296524>Acceptance rate 100%
Also spotted this review about the online classes. And you're paying 30k a year for this shit. But at least Holly doesn't get challenged or required to work hard which probably suits her just fine.
we've been through this in this thread.
As this >>289776
other anon said:>Nah, its way more fun and spontaneous for ppl to discover their dedicated hate threads when googling themselves and then freak out publicly
I think its already been mentioned before how triggered
everyone is about how she handles her cintiq
Something that expensive and coveted to the art community being manhandled is the equivalent to watching mild child abuse
And the glove thing isn't surprising considering she's never had to use a glove b4 and likes the idea of change but never actually follows through
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this is a masterpiece
Oh my fucking god that was hilarious
>I thought 7 of them had died
Yeah, my only worry is that you drew on her scars, people probably won't take what you say at any value because of it, like
>HE'S MOCKING SELF HARM, HE'S TRASH
So yeah. Other than that, spot on.
On a side note, I am super happy this thread got a lot of track though, I thought it would flop big time kek Thank you for being a whiny bitch, Holly.
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Whenever I see her art everything looks so skewed so I tried to fix it with the liquefy tool
Sorry I'm shit at photoshop but goddamn the way she draws her heads irritates me
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great work with the face, but you inspired me to make one more small improvement…
ehh, the most I've seen ppl do is post the bad drawing and redraw over top the corrections w/ red pen
cause if you just draw, like, a fan art of it but better it'll teach ppl nothing of having this particular style but w/ correct anatomy/ proportions an perspective
like, ppl will definitely shit on you if your redraw is just a classic shota anime boy
we do have people who do amazing art (see the momo thread and all of its hilarious cover art) but tbh if your drawing isnt super illustrative of something wrong with the original that wouldn't otherwise be so noticeable or isn't a funny parody, you're probably going to get shit on even if it's not terrible.
presentation is a lot of it - slapping a big ass signature on it or getting happy with the namefagging will get you hated on if not shipped out to pasture entirely.
imo tho it's not worth doing redraws, just redlines. all a redraw says to most people is "look at me and how much better i am" which def crosses into what >>297055
in case that reply came off kinda mean - i am always interested in redlines! i've done a few for the ash thread but that just feels like the lowest hanging fruit possible lol
(last post about this, i promise, sry4derail)
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my half assed attempt at redlining and fixing some shit that bothered me. still looks a bit fucky but i think i improved it a little. sorry for long
it's better, but still super flawed. it's hard to do a redline of something so fucked straight out of the gate.
sage for artsperging
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kek it looks like lord farqquad now, but good effort anon
It's like she was half listening in art class. "The hair doesn't stick to the skull" doesn't mean that it grows wings and has a mind of its own>>297106
anything is an improvement on the original, even unintentional Lord Farquaad lol
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She's gonna make an actual animation for Hamilton instead of an animatic, this is gonna be a trainwreck
Good job with the red-line anon. My biggest piece of advice would be to try to keep the line of action next time (and maybe even push it a bit) so your final result doesn't end up looking so stiff/flat.
As for the rest of the chat, I'm almost positive that Holly said she got accepted into CalArts in her CalArts rant because that was the main reason I started following her ages ago. I really wish I saved that video or something now.
why can't she just leave hamilton alone? she draws them so fucking ugly i already want to die. that heathers animatic was bad enough and it was barely even moving>>297120
that's very helpful, thank you! i should use lines of action more often. thanks for the advice :>
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here, since no one else knows what they're doing.
I never even knew about this artist until this thread popped up since I don't dabble too much in the youtube side of the art community but wow she's lazy. There's so many gaps, colors going outside the lines, wonky anatomy. The fucking left bat wing has 2 fingers while the right has 3? Also exaggerating your art makes it interesting and all but jesus fuck that hair, she has no right shitting on other artists with this coming off her pencil.
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anyone else physically feel their sexual organs curling up and retracting anytime she expresses some kind of excitement? on one of her recent videos she showed some of her screen where she was looking at killing stalking, and she squealed and rubbed the screen with her greasy little paws.. it was similar to the gross excited voice she used when talking about the molestation in her comic. why does holly have so many paraphilias? it's so clear that so much of her art is sexually driven, if not driven by the desire for fame and money.
pic is a palate cleanser
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just painted over it
didn't try to make it neat just wanted to fix it w/ her 'style' in mind
couldn't be fuked to rlly try w/ the wings either but its supposed to be an enamel pin right? Just make it symmetrical! Copy and Paste!!
I think theres major room for error whenever you make a character with no ears, really fucks ppl up
just draw the ears and then cover it w/ hair if you like it that way
the more I look at this the more I die inside
is she trying to do that thing in cartoons where they only have 4 fingers? and the fourth one is the thumb thats hidden away?
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ah you anons are amazing at making that thing look better>>296104>mfw I had to redraw the whole thing just to make him look a little more human
I tried, praying my art will never become as potato-y
awh its cute in your style~! like the foot
Holly said this pin design was meant to be like a school play so that explains why she made the foot so bent (too bent, ouch) its cause he's supposed to be suspended by wires/rope
but since holly takes solstice in her style being unique
and "totally not tumblr-y/animu" we wanted to see if its possible to improve her style as it is
she'd be better off drawing anime, because most anime has good proportions/ anatomy / gesture – which is all the stuff that makes her stuff wonky today
>>297152> physically feel their sexual organs curling up and retracting
someone put it in words
She says she likes girls too anon
I'm not saying bi isn't a thing but always pretty fishy coming from a smelly fujo
How much do you wanna bet it's just her trying to insert herself into her yaoi fantasies?
Not saying every queer fujoshi ever is like this, but I'm willing to bet Holly is into that shit for this reason.>Or maybe she's realized she's too ugly for any decent guy to be attracted to her so she's aiming for women to preserve her ego.
does she not realize almost all comics use those "lazy" and "ugly" bubbles? she can't even pull off the hand-drawn speech bubbles look
i really want someone to tell her that her not coloring her comic is "lazy".
>>297143>here, since no one else knows what they're doing.
i had to actually go back at look at the original to tell what you did beyond fix the wings and the fingers which you pointed out, and you still didnt fix the most egregious errors (legs and foot) so maybe reevaluate your ego, anon>>297158
this one is hands down the best out of all the edits, if solely for thatyou made the leg and foot look right
though all these redraws are making me realize how absolute shit holly's art truly is, wow. you do have to just salt the earth and start anew to make it passable, and nothing on earth fixes that stupid fucking hair
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Why aren't we addressing her ad for these monstrosities?
my first thought was "who the fuck would buy these"
my second thought was "well, if i ever see anyone with one of these, i know to avoid them like the plague
thats true, but again i didnt care enough to draw it from scratch I was just spot cleaning
when I got to the bottom of the shirt I thought the hem was rlly weird for an untucked shirt so I just made it straighter
of course if i had to draw it from scratch I'd make a new figure and push the pose more, looking at the ad Holly made for these I guess she meant for Damien (the weird roach hair boy) to seem uninterested/ less eager to act in a school play compared to simon (weird glasses boy) whose PUSHING it
It was just hard to tell the expression she was going for
Shit this looks great. I love how you translated his weird yugioh hairstyle into something actually plausible.>>297158
You got a cute style too, I like how you did the face and wings in particular.
Both of these show how much better Holly's would've been if she didn't half ass/break the legs like that.
I mean, cmon, anyone who buys this clearly can't tell whats good art // aka all the Holly fans who genuinely think she's great at art
these are probably straight out of her sketchbook and she didn't put any effort to fix things in photoshop
0 effort into making even the wings on these enamel pins she wants ppl to pay 10 - 15 bucks for
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Just out of curiosity I wanted to quickly try something else and see how it would look like with correct anatomy and more movement…. and it still looks just so incredibly ridiculous it's beyond salvation.
What went wrong anons? Is it the pose, weird Krillin-tier proportions, ridiculous 90s animu hairstyle, stupid face expression? I give up.
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I'm fucking losing it, my shit is gone, Anon
The way you drew the pants/foot looks great anon
way more detail/effort than Holly's 'style' would ever allow
the arms look better also but it'd be better just to redraw the torso cuz its so cramped // an important tip in art is to make sure your pose is readable as a silhouette >>297154
in my spot cleaning edit I think the hair/ head is a good version of the character looking sane
>bigger gravity defying hair does not make a cuter boy, Holly
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That chin. Also sucking up to Hamlet Machine, god she's so annoying.
i don't know what hamlet machine is actually like personality wise, I've only read her comic
but at her lvl I bet she'd kek after looking through the rest of Holly's art after this shoutout
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reminds me of this condition some humans have
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We could change everything to the point it wouldn't look anything like the original, but my point was to see her design just with more advanced anatomy since it seems to be the biggest problem people have with her drawings. That didn't solve that problem through, it still looks weird >>297727
I'm done with correcting this since it's not really worth any more time, but I kind of thought this torso is so short because he's bent as we can see bottom of his foot? I probably give Holly too much credit >>297708
These facial expressions are just so off and random it's really hard to read what they're trying to convey
This one isn't even bad aside from that fucking chin. How can she look at that with a straight face?
Also I love that her art is giving artfags in this thread additional practice through extensive redlining and anatomy execution.
Wouldn't her style be more likeable if she wasn't so inconsistent? This one isn't that bad.>>297751
People can learn from masters but also from others mistakes. How ironic she is actually teaching people something about art outside of youtube tutorials.
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I finally understand what that hairstyle reminds me of. Tail is left intact and nothing is really changed except for added paws and head
2nd anon u were responding to here, yeah I got the bent torso thing too but I think its the short uneven shoulder space that gives me a migraine looking at this piece
high five for hair piece edit~
honestly how in the world does someone make anatomy tutorials when they draw something like this at the size of her hand? and she has a pretty meaty hand
agreed, it derails when too many ppl try it
we tried to warn ppl b4 hand tho >imo tho it's not worth doing redraws, just redlines. all a redraw says to most people is "look at me and how much better i am" which def crosses into what >>297055 says
Oops, y'all are right. >>297733
She's so close to having this look right, but on top of the chin, parts of the face are misaligned in perspective. The brows/eyes are from above, the nose is too abstracted to tell, and the mouth seems to be from below (I don't really see the lips protruding from the face in anime or stylized work except from that angle).
If Holly ever stumbles upon this thread, I hope you don't take these redlines/crits as a personal attack. Use them to improve. You have all the resources (literally, you've got a fucking Cintiq) at your disposal, and these crits should help you understand more appealing stylization and better fundamental work. >>297778
What a cute puppy. Improves the design, too.
Its alright, your redline & synopsis is actually informative and not fan art-y
I was the anon who painted over it, not the way to go but it only took me a six minutes b/c Holly dosent rlly do lineart as much as she paints it – won't do it again tho
It's weird because her line-art isn't really that bad if >>297733
is indicative of her digital inking. I don't understand why she inks traditionally then autotraces them, when doing it digitally from the get go looks far superior for her. Especially when she's not trying to ink on a regular graphics tablet.
hm, thats true
my guess based of watching her vlogs is that she's just rlly attached/used to sketching on paper
she dosent like it when things are too 'clean/smooth' evident by the way she always mentions putting texture over her digital stuff and how she hates using the eclipse tool to do word bubbles
I think that'd embarrass ppl actually wanting to strum up a business like Holly by tying their art/style/characters w/ lolcow
its an anonymous site and someone's art is basically their signature/name
Yeah, that's true. 4chan had a good art board where people would post and give good feedback, haven't been there in a while though.
Sorry for the off topic discussion.
probs the latter
she said it herself she's disgusting rn, but is now working towards getting back to her high school weight when she was 'hot'
remember everyone she's almost 22, it's been 4 yrs since her time in HS
this is a perfect example of redline/slight redraw without being 'omg look at how much better i could draw this'. other artnons take note>>297778
is the best one tho tbh>>297820
i agree 100% with >>297831
, it would either turn into bad baggage for a good artist if they were found posting on a hate site or into namefag attentionwhore city. this is just not the place for it. there are places for it, and google will help you find them>>297841
PT-tier 'weight loss will not fix your problems' here, between her potatoes-in-a-sack face and awful personality
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are we still doing this or
samefag to say: anon who redrew the hamletmachine fanart, you shouldn't have deleted :( it was actually informative and not attention-whory and what we need more of
i change my vote to >>297856
as the model to go from then, especially with the post improvement
Yes! That torso was driving me crazy, it was unfixable
Did you want someone to render it like >>297857
I still stick to my earlier post >>297801
about derailment but It'd be rlly cool if we could fix it for real
funnily i am both >>297857
and the anon you quoted in >>297801
and i'm not suggesting someone render it. actually, i'm saying anything other than a redline would be too much and something like this that clearly shows the anatomical problems and how to fix them to less art-inclined anons is useful. like, i can see that it's shit, but having it outlined like this shows me why it's shit.>>297871
at least sage if you're just going to bitch. what's your argument against it, anyway? imo it opens up new things for us to go 'holy shit holly is bad at this' at and makes it easier to spot her hypocrisy when she inevitably spouts some shit later>>297869
because its useless
there are plenty of places to post your shitty redraws, they just derail the thread here. its been mentioned many times before already
go attention seek elsewhere
first anon u responded to here, >i change my vote to >>297856 as the model to go from then, especially with the post improvement
^ this sentence was the thing that made me think you wanted the rendering, I didn't read it as you putting your foot down on how we should go about redlining other bad Holly arts
So for other artnons lurking here's the template for redlines:
Lower opacity of og art and outline already existing structure/ don't bother w/ og art commentary except in the text box or bother the facial deets
then improved redlines on the side, capisce?
meh, we've basically covered Holly's shortcomings already nothing else to talk about
we're just waiting on future milk so why not let anons figure the shit out?
save the hate for Holly anon
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how bout fanart then
Holly likes story rape, Hamlet likes story rape
Its all coming together
her proportions are so wack and inconsistent
I remembering Holly bitching about Steven's (steven universe) proportions because "he's supposed to be 12 but his body is that of a kids" – she was trying to redraw him for the cover of her mini sketchbooks
and yet her character who is also 12 isn't any better kept for longer legs?
She said she thought a lot of steven universe eps are fillers, so most likely she's skipped quite a few
In her first draft of purg (like 15 pages) her characters were wayyy younger/ elm kids
So the current version of purg IS her older version and now she wants to draw them even older so she's tacked on more story to suit that narrative
She's just doing whatever she wants with little rhyme or reason
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was thinking about if I knew any characters w/ Damien's haircut
theres the princey from enchanted
no ones hair should ever be that high
I meant the guys hair is the acceptable version of Damien's >sage for too much talk about Damien's shitty character design
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I hear P.C.White got a new sketchbook and is working on a new video.
Thanks for the support of Polly White! My husband and I got bored that night and ended up creating the video for fun, and honestly, to just talk shit. We don't expect Holly to ever see it, so if she sees it, cool? Maybe she'll actually take a look in the mirror. If not, then at least we made you guys laugh!
wo-hoe! a married couple made the satire vid?
great job guys, I'm tickled pink for that new video
really i meant to type 'pose improvement' and didnt realize i had typo'd it til now… whoops. 'putting my foot down' sounds too strong anyway - it's just my 2c. >>297879
i'm not one of the redraw anons but kthx>>297885
this is wonderful>>297955
your vid was fantastic and i'm glad that you owned up to it being you instead of pretending. keep up the good work.
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Eh this >>297883
,plus it's pretty fun to see how other artists approach to redrawing/editing her art to actually make it look good.
If Holly were to find the thread these examples would hopefully let her see what is exactly wrong with her art.
I'm eager to see how this tutorial turns out since her own comic isn't very good.
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I hate this "Z" panel bs. All pages are read in a z that's basic flow. Holly is awful at flow. I tried to map her tangents and dead ends. Sorry if this is incompressible, but she throws readers in the gutters so often. It's so obvious she doesn't know what she's doing.
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Shit, you guys are right. I guess I got too comfortable
and didn't even see those previous replies, I'll stop with that redraw noise! ngl tho it's fun to redraw people's stuff and compare them, that character in particular is just so funny looking with his dumb hair I had to attempt it.
Calarts is so overrated rn. She obviously is lying because the hype.
wtf is clarence in that is it to show the head shape im assuming? Also idk if the guy behind Gumball went to Calarts, the production is based in europe.
Im probably wrong, the calarts style isn't what gets me about these styles and more the humour. Its all the same screaming, random lol humour and adventure time asthetics. This is mainly Cartoon Network tho, Disney is a different beast.>>298190
Calarts is always gonna be hyped but I think this snobbery comes from tumblr kids like Holly being snubbed because she failed to get in. They tell you time and time again, they dont want finished work only. It's sketches and studys of every kind. Holly don't do that shit so she was panned and uses her internet status to now shit on it because "she's too good for that".
Calarts isn't the end all be all, she can apply to countless other unis but Calarts just has status.
Its because her sketches actually look like crap that she insists on rendering them all\
I kind of sympathize w/ Holly cause its clear that she really wanted to be an animator but knows she can't get into that field w/ her lvl of skill, so she settles for comic books she can post edit and even now she realizes the whole first half of purg looks way different b/c she didn't stop to develop herself
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I hope that I don't cause trouble with this. But I compare her recent comic compositions with some better ones (tried to stick to black and white comics with similar followings, not sure about the middle one…but didn't attach their names because i don't want to drag there names onto it).
Anyways like I hope this illustrates how haphazard her placement is. It isn't helped by how stupid she is with her bubble placement, or the fact her potato faces have zero eye lines to follow.
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I can accept Holly might be okay in the color scheme region But
the anatomy is still jacked tho and she doesn't have a handle on drawing clothes – just look at sasuke's shorts
I really, really, REALLY can't get over the face. It's like Sasuke's twin brother with down syndrome.
Also there's how the left leg looks off (It looks twisted to me? Idk. Can an art anon help here?) and how his hair really does look more like a cockatoo's ass than an actual head of hair.
Also the color scheme is a bit off, isn't it? And how the torso is squished? I don't even know.>I would love to hear a proper critique from an art anon though.>Or better yet, redline.
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I just noticed that she reblogged this two days before she posted about the pins. How.
I think the leg to our left is a bit too short and posed in a very stiff way. Very unnatural.
I think the only good thing about Holly's artistic skills really is her eye for color. She should be a colorist.
as someone who knows nothing about this kind of thing, this was cool. her comics have always felt hard to read to me but now i know why. her habit of putting speech bubbles over the gaps between panels is the absolute worst still imo>>298233
betcha 10$ she tried to follow this guide, doesnt have the ability to rotate 3D objects in space enough to replicate it, and ended up having to give up and do it the wrong way kek>>298181
the bar was set so low, and she's still regressed. yikes…
It's fine to overlap the gutters if you're following the flow of the page but her bubbles are shoved to the side the other issue is she makes tangents constantly. Just look up composition tangents and you'll see. It's great since she talks about that rule all the time.
Composition is very difficult with comics as it requires a strong understanding of gestalt and a lot of film and animation teqniques. You can really se it in the comparison. All the top pages are ashetically pleasing in both the whole composition and in the individual parts. The there's the ability to tell the story through a thought out number of panels.
Like in one page each of these comics creates a better scene than holly can in three pages of her "best part"
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if you're generous and assume he's wearing clothes 80x too large, you get left. if not, you get right. he's a little better because at least he has a flow to his pose, which I'm guessing she 'referenced'
I wouldn't bet on it, cause Holly actually seems to put practice into backgrounds especially if its nature, that's the one thing she doesn't find trouble doing
Her architecture can be alright as well but she doesn't like dealing w structural perspective too much
we complained earlier in thread her heathers animatic was mostly her showing off bgs
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So which one of you was it?
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Glad it was reported but jesus christ does she not grasp how fucked up pedophilia is? Just because they're "angsty teens" doesn't mean it isn't any more disturbing to see them drawn getting molested by a 40+ year old Hitler look-alike. She implied the kid got raped, so yeah, I guess nothing too serious right?
It's creepy she did the panels of the assault from the POV of the pedo, and not in an intentional, meta way like Nabakov's "Lolita". It felt like we were supposed to see the victim in the same sexual light the attacker sees him. >>298204
Maybe I'm over-reading it, but it feels more sensual (dialogue aside) and that we're supposed to be the creepy guy, rather than be squicked out.
There's something seriously wrong with her mentally. >>298518
Who in their right mind thinks that's an okay thing to say. Like it's completely normal to her and not at all troubling.
Yeah, I definitely get referring to the horrific shit as the good part. I don't do it as much because my readership backlashes a uncomfortable cringe wave. I feel like she'll probably get through it because it isn't explicit and it is technically diegetic.
The thing I don't get is, why doesn't she nsfw her posts? I don't like to be that guy. But it's pretty easy to do this and the only reason you wouldn't want to is because it cuts down on your ad impressions….then again, I'm one to talk because I constantly forget to turn it on.
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Wait, I'm right. It's just been age restricted. Cry me a fucking river, your rape scene isn't suitable for children. Boo hoo hoo.>>298181
Also I just realized this isn't supposed to be a girl.
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>>289732>pressed post instead of choose file. How even.
Anyways, as I was saying, I can't help but to shake the feeling that holly's comic is a bit too similar to this one (which is kinda good btw).
IDK maybe I'm nitpicking.
Either this is a troll or you're really fucking stupid.>"I don't think she remembers me"
And if she sees this, she's gonna be trying as hard as she can to figure you out.>"I'm kinda worried if she finds this…"
And if she does? Aren't you supposed to be a nobody to her? Who cares. I smell some asskissing in progress.
Protip: This isn't how you do it.
Anon, love yourself and find someone else to stalk. Really, do you REALLY just keep constantly refreshing her comics and her page just to see what's new?
And besides, she would have shitted up that comic critique circle with her "facking fucking foocking i'msomuchbetterlikei'mnotaprofessionalbutthisfamousartistssucksandidoitbetter REEEEEE" bs. Thank god she didn't reply.
Why is she upset over this? Her work isn't okay for all ages. It deals with rape, violence and adult relationships…
Ooooh but most of her fans are tweens and teens. I get it. But honestly who pays attention to the age restricted warnings
Again why assume it was us? Usually anons would brag about reporting it. You honestly just seem like a spazz.
It was probably just some prude going through the yaoi tags and saw a few of the scenes and decided children shouldn't read it. And again, this isn't a childrens book anyway, so why are you chimping out so bad?
If you're that scared of her, she isn't someone you want to associate with.
Yes, this. The worst thing that's gonna happen is that her tween fans will have to create new accounts with fake ages. The woe, the horror.
She is complaining when she shouldn't even be posting porn to tap, it's against their TOS.
Yeah anon I highly doubt Holly knows me personally. I reported her comic (and her shit no word yaoi trash) on taptastic because her bullshit finally made me annoyed enough to do so. I've never spoken directly to her tough we run in similar circles.
Honestly if you do tell her think before you do because you might start shit where it isn't happening. I'm not afraid of Holly, but again I know for fact you have no idea who I am.
Yeah, I'm kind of seeing that. It bums me out that she's burning a bridge here. I know I'm not popular by any means, but frick if I don't have shiny publishing connections. I learned early into this that you never really know who knows who, and damn if the comics I started following at 200 subs haven't turned into hits. I know publishing is a competition in some respects, but you don't get far treating it that way. Still, makes me sad….>>298801
This makes me wonder if we know each other like just in passing, since these circles are pretty small. Like, I'm sure I must know some people here which gives me solace.
I'm just sort of noticing how no one I follow is following Holly which just makes me wonder how isolated from things she is? I won't tell her about this stuff, because like it's been said the reporting is fair enough. If she does track it down to me I feel less worried than before since when it comes to the people I care about they might not even know she exists.
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well that was certainly something
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Sage for redraw (Spoiler for sanity)
But this bothered me a lot.
TLDR: Basically the face and pose don't match well and that's why it's so hard to redraw it well without it looking like a different picture.
The whole character just seems flawed. At first I thought it was supposed to be some form of tumblr fan-art of a supernatural character. The hair is just super ugly and impracticable to have if you can't draw it well at an angle
nice work anon. your "emulated cartoony style" is very nice.
i cannot fathom how holly is successful with her fucking vile art,it looks like something drawn by a 15 year old with aspergers
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those drumstick legs are actually more fucked than the original but your points about the expression are solid>>298938
the bar for quality of art in BL is exceedingly low - see pic related/google "yaoi hands". what's the adage, people don't watch porn for the storytelling?
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not an exact match but this is ALL I SEE when I look at the dude's hair, sorry.
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spill if it's good or get over yourself. she's not going to let you lick her asshole for bringing the h8r to justice. the report was completely legitimate to their TOS and it was very likely more than one person who reported it
or just shut up and fuck off instead of making the thread about your 'oh no gaiz my morals uwu' bullshit
thats the whole point of the post it looks like, no matter how much you try to move things around/improve it, it'll still look off unless you completely change/redraw the whole thing.
there is no saving him
not that anon but this is why anons upthread were speaking against redraws: people with art that's shitty in different ways will come to flaunt how much "better" they are when they aren't. the art of the redraw is honestly not better even though it's more complex - intentionally-ugly-tumblr-art face and thunderthighs/rubber legs. the leg with the foot view from below is actually worse than holly's.
it's not a matter of that holly's cant be saved - it's a matter of people who can't draw well either acting holier-than-thou, which is just doing the same thing holly does to more talented artists anyway
someone needs to do a redraw of >>298924
so we can descend into meta holly hell
This thread went to a shit show fast.>>299039
Damn, the first draft does look better. It doesn't help that live tracing all of her pages after scanning makes them look 10x more bland and wonky.
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yeah, I can see where you're coming from
the tumblry-stylized one is a bit hard to look at, but I'd at least cut them some slack for making some good points. >>299038
I think we should just stop the redraws and stick to red lines, because it's turning the thread into a shitshow.
i watched her high school sketchbook video and although skill wise she wasn't the greatest, her HS art looks a lot more lively and looser than what she makes now.
But yeah her first draft looks like something i'd choose to read over her current one.
i feel like she sacrificed personality for "correct proportions".
Is there any way to remove this adminis? Password isn't working although I never changed it.
(I'm author of op)
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Holy fuck, it is so much better. Like, how you lose so much personality in such short period?
It looked kinda Invasor Zim-esque, I dunno, looked like a horror comedy story, something like that.
I am glad people in the comments are agreeing with us.
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this was kinda sad to read
I get a lot of secondhand-embarassment/cringe so I don't watch her videos, but the summaries of her videos are really depressing. She sounds really lost about art, and it sounds like she should try doing something else for a while and then reconsider a career in the arts.
I definitely understand feeling unmotivated or frustrated by art, but I don't know, she doesn't really seem to have a goal in mind? Or a driving force?
shes straight up said she wouldn't be able to live if she couldn't do art as her job, working in any other field is beneath her and she just cannot
sounds pretty spoiled but she does suffer from depression and has self harmed which shows how fragile of a person she must be
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Man, I'm gonna sound like a dick but looking at her art, but I wouldn't have guessed how devoted she is based on how her art progression. I go through into a lot of depressive episodes that halt art activities, so I understand how disruptive that can be towards improving, but she's gotten worse or stagnated at the very least.
It's unfair to compare artistic growths of different people, but when people put themselves through FZD hell or 12-hour-a-day-drawing-NEET-life to the point of developing carpal tunnel or severe hand injuries (pic related) just to git gud, I find it hard to sympathize with her.
I know this thread is about Holly specifically, but I come across a lot of people similar to her, where their pride and Dunning-Kruger-level-of-self-importance just doesn't reflect their actual execution or practice.
>>299432> plan to be an art teacher, but we didn't mention she said she's just doing the degree as a safety net if she dosent become famous enough
really, isn't this the plan of every art teacher?
she'll continue to make money as long as there are impressionable fujoshit preteens though
I don't have depression but what I do have in common w/ Holly is that we both barely get out of the house b/c we can't drive and need to draw
(I still go to my college campus a few times a week though)
I've realized now that's almost like being on house arrest and that I need to get out more to the library or something, not only is it better for overall mental health but you'll have more rl experiences to translate into your art
With all the figure studies she does for school you'd think she'd be able to translate that into her art, right?
I guess the reason why her figure studies look wayyy better than her characters is b/c she rlly is just copying and eyeing the reference and not absorbing any of the underlying structure to it
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I tried reading her comic and GOD. It's so boring and slow. I got to page 50 and nothing fucking happened. I gave up shortly after.
Also, it's such an eyesore. Her decision to make it red against white was so poor. Also, the lines so inconsistent, and often too fucking thick. Everything just mashes together into a big blob, and it's unreadable.
Also, pic related, dat perspective jesus fuck
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When she tries to scale down her figures it just dosent work, its like they turn into chibis or are just deformed
consistent problem w/ her comics proven by >>294355
When she tries to scale down her figures it just dosent work, its like they turn into chibis or are just deformed
consistent problem w/ her comics proven by >>294355
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i may not be the greatest at perspective but i made an attempt to try and draw a grid based on that wonky-ass left panel and just, what happened here
better artnons feel free to correct me, but by my understanding, all lines heading towards/away from the viewer should meet at one (or sometimes two, if you're getting complex) singular vanishing points, and all lines perpendicular to that should be straight and flat across. see left compared to right.
tl;dr her perspective sucks because she doesnt even try but what else is new
No, you are totally right anon. All lines should go to the same point.
I also ain't the best with perspective, but that panel is just… sad.i really wish someone would redraw it with the correct perspective
Also, she's an artist, she should just apply for an artist alley table. Or apply for a panel if that's what she wants to do. Alley seems like it would be good for her though, she can just sit around and sell copies of her shitty comics and prints and stuff.
It's really not hard to apply for one, just link a portfolio and wait for a response, have some stuff you want to sell and the money for a table. The only reason I see for asking for guest status is to try and get paid/get table space for free? She's not even very well known lol, maybe a tiny-ass con would feature her but they also have to care about operating costs far more so I doubt she would recieve any compensation.
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used an isometric view since it seems to be closer to what she actually drew. obviously I didn't use a ruler so lines are still kinda organic. if you are as wobbly as she is (with something as unforgiving as traditional media) use. a. ruler. the worst offender in her image is definitely hitler's chair leg.
also note how she forgot to give the table legs.
lmaooo i didnt even notice the missing table legs. both of those dudes have to be paper thin to fit in that tiny gap between chair back and table anyway
really, she just has no grasp of 3d
At about 24:20 she mentions making about £500 profit – "£1000 if I hadn't stayed in the hotel"… then goes on to say "a lot of people bought my book, like, six or seven!"
Like she said she made most of the money on commissions but I still don't get that. There's no way she made £500 profit - actual profit, subtracting other costs - let alone £1000.
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Maybe I'm fucking up, but the vanishing points are both on the same side of the picture. If the Earth's horizon is pic related, then they're defying gravity. Not to mention the vertical lines are all going separate/opposing directions.
Objects closest to the "camera" should be bigger than objects further away, but she did the opposite (like the wall's border). Even if you move one of the VPs to the left where it should be, the VPs are way too close together (makes objects look like they're "falling off the page"/distorted).
I don't hate this girl or anything, but she churns out pages so fast, she's definitely sacrificing quality for quantity. >>299552
I think the table has reversed T legs (like some school desks), while the chairs have normal "stick legs", but she didn't draw the left side and there's no space for it anyway (the center of the table is very offset).
Thank you, kind anon. We can see that even with your rough-ish lines, it's miles better than her finished product.>>299767
>I don't hate this girl or anything, but she churns out pages so fast, she's definitely sacrificing quality for quantity.
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Here we go again
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Sorry for the rough lines, I just wanted to redline rl quick
Dont praise me, lets just discuss what went wrong in the og art
here we go again
work on some cleaner lines anon
? welp I don't know what i could've said to make it not sound that way then>>300099
Is it rlly that much of an eyesore? Its just meant to demonstrate my points
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>right hand is non-existant>stiff-ass pose>can only draw one type of shoe that aren't snickers, apparently>kek at that skirt, she's "showing the haters" cause she said she would draw puffier skirts, still looks awful>trademark jay leno chin>the fucking end part of the criket-stick-thingie is flat as shit>shading all over the place>etc etc etc
Professional, you guys.
tbh its pretty annoying, just trace it over a new layer would be a lot nicer.
Also the point of a redraw is to correct the anatomy mistakes of the original, not to draw a new pose. To me the original upper torso isn't too bad, it's the waist downwards which is displaced.
also also I thought we're done with shitty redraws
This is fine to me tho?
It's not like she redrew it completely, like.. Giving it a face with her own style and shit like other anons were doing earlier… I think it was on topic still.
And with good note to boot. I think you're too salty, this is informative.
But that just me, I guess. sage.
there rlly wasn't 'much' wrong w/ the anatomy its the pose thats stiff and unnatural and she's holding the thing wrong
but I guess I could've just moved the legs forward, sure
w/ the mallet that far away she would need to be more bent over or she wouldn't have very good balance, anon
she has zero sense of body language. even without referencing anything, she could have grabbed a broom and looked at her own hands on it, or posed herself and thought about how her limbs were placed
the skirts are actually more infuriating than helmethair to me now though, the fuck kind of marilyn monroe vent gust is this shit>>300086
i'm with the non-hating anons on this, this is a good redline, but skip the "dont praise me" next time bc it sounds like you expected some
ah, sorry! at least u weren't a douche bout it
I just didn't want the responses to start off w the obligatory "great work anon/nice job" from the nicer anons like what happened up thread when ppl were drawing all those shota boys
i watched some of her livestream and she actually didn't look up references until after she drew the pose, then didn't even use it.
at around 1:29:30
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>gets bitched at for altering pose slightly>gets bitched at for not changing pose enough
I was thinking about what holly was actually going for in the piece, there are a few angles to play croquet at
yes ppl are very hunched over to eye it better but you don't have to hunch to tap the ball
I wanted to keep the one the legs back, the mallet relatively the same size (there are variations in mallets) to keep the general pose holly was going for: because she wanted Heather to play croquet in action but also show her face and pose
thats why I put: choose play or pose b/c its impractical to do both (hunch over like ur invested in where the ball ends up/ or just lean on ur mallet looking pretty)
ur reaching Holly bitch lvl status
putting so much subtext behind "don't praise me"
sage for being a dumbass and expecting ppl to take it literally
kekety kek, im not being petty about ur nitpicks
Im not sad to hear what could of been improved! As long as theyr legitimate concerns, ur feedback isn't falling on deaf ears
the salty anons were getting uppity just for posting visual aids on an image board
you really need to stop now. if you're so not butthurt, stop replying to every anon who insults you like you are.
seriously, stop. don't even respond to my post. just stop.>>300600
i feel like she only made that tiny attempt to look at a reference image because people were watching her, so she can go "well look at me looking at reference images on my stream then"
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If any one wants to read a GOOD webcomics about two gay boys falling in love, read long exposure by smokeplanet. the art is really good,and way better then anything holly has ever craped out, and she actually WANTS to work on it,unlike hollys shitty attitude about her own comic
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I appreciate the recommendation anon
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To me the ultimate is always going to be http://tjandamal.com/
Absolutely incredible art (peep her scenery, she puts more effort into one panel than Holly has put into her entire comic) with a deep, actually heart-wrenching story and relateable, realistic, non-pandering characters
and it's all free online sooo