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Cartoons have taught me that if you put a bow on a person they're automatically a girl.
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Nobody would've guessed you don't pass.
Plenty of cis men pluck their unibrows, why this want-to-be-woman can't even do the most basic of personal hygiene routines…
Also I feel like all of them need to have have "IF YOU'RE AN UGLY MAN BECOMING A WOMEN WILL NOT INCREASE YOUR ATTRACTIVENESS AT ALL" flashed constantly in front of their faces for a period of at least a year.
>why are so many men becoming women? Has this always been a thing?
It's another form of inceldom/sexism. They're men who aren't successful in some way and aren't mentally healthy, and they also fetishize and idolize women. To them women= everything is handed to you and your life is easy and and you're automatically beautiful and everything in women's lives is funny pretty stuff with no obligations, so they become women to escape their shitty lives. It doesn't work, and they spin out of control and wind up on SSDI in shitty apartments soliciting sex from chasers.
It's on the rise because everyone 15-30 is chronically depressed and lonely.
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Some more delusional men
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To be honest I don't consider these guys as really trans. Real trans people are generally pretty normal and functional members of society unless they have very bad dysphoria but even then they try to keep other areas of their lives together. Their focus isn't on how transitioning will make them pretty or how their lives are shit now but will be SO much better once they've switched gender. Their ideas of what they'll get out of transitioning and how society will treat them both is they do and don't pass is a lot more realistic.
That rant aside, yeah it's pretty much the autism-trans link, fetishism, and lingering fucked up female stereotypes. Shit I'm female but I would inject chemicals and mutilate my genitals if the "insta-social-aceptance, cock-carosel-then-sette-at-30, insta-beatiful-with-effort, never-have-to-work-and-everything-is-handed-to-me" female actually existed and it meant I could be her.
i guess these types of guys are just the male equivalents of fakeboi "yaoi space prince" ftms then
>"insta-social-aceptance, cock-carosel-then-sette-at-30, insta-beatiful-with-effort, never-have-to-work-and-everything-is-handed-to-me"
aw man, if only. they already know being male doesnt necessarily mean they'll be living life like george clooney, dunno why they think transitioning will make them suddenly have the experience of angelina (or someone like that)
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The worst is that they egg eachother on. Some of the makeup is horror, some of the people giving out "advice" on how to pass look straight outta Silence of The Lambs.
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Just about as delusional as incels kek
There needs to be some serious investigation into this. Many pesticides are low concentration nerve agents, and maybe that's still too much for little boys.
The number of trannies is increasing way too fast to explain them away as weirdos. Something changed two or three decades ago, and I bet if they pin this down, they'll pin down autism too.
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>>186259>mrw people say there are normal trans
Do you really think that fucking their bodies just to be able to wear dresses is normal then you're just as fucked up as they are. They're even claiming they have "female penises", like how crazy must you be to believe in this shit?
It's disgusting and sexist how MtFs try mold themselves into ridiculous caricatures of womanhood. It's a fetish for them.
Why more feminists aren't calling them out, I have no idea.
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when he tries to do a cute half smile in every photo but ends up looking mentally retarded
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The FtMs seem to do a better job passing
Modern liberal feminism is a fucking joke.
Men in wigs have more authority than us in that shit movement.
Literally any "choice" a woman makes is feminist, and fuck looking at why or the underlying issues.
It's such a hot mess.
That's more biology than effort. Plenty of women, especially ones in their teens/20s can pass as boys or effeminate men even without HRT. Or at the very least, they can make themselves androgynous. You'd be surprised at how much some makeup, a masculine hairstyle and male clothing can do.
Males? It's impossible without HRT by the time you're an adult for 99.99% of men.
he could be an ugly grandma>>186219
jesus fuck why is it wearing hooker makeup
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not from r/transpassing, but here's a "trans girl" from tumblr.
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Holy damn how can he be on HRT for like almost two years but still looks like this
at least this one is making an effort, even if it falls flat. hell of a lot more than >>186222
are doing, and i've seen worse makeup on genuine females posted here…
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Horrible wigs, weird cheeky-sexy facial expressions, clownish makeup that most actual women learned not to do after like two years of doing it…
Honestly the image of a woman that these transpretenders put out is just so disturbing to me. You can tell what they actually think of us lol. They're like putting a girl's face through a scanner a hundred times. And they always look like sluts.
She has unfortunate genetics, I mean those lips wouldn't look good in anyone. >>186395
I thought about this a lot. I don't wanna blame perception of womanly aesthetics but…
God I'm finding this thread so fucking triggering. How can these knobs aspire to be women when they can't even shape their eyebrows? If any m2fs are reading, you will never pass but for fuck's sake at least practise basic hygiene rituals.
>get your eyebrows professionally done and maintain them, nothing is more manly than wild slug brows spilling over onto your eyelids
>stop wearing lipstick because it accentuates how thin your man lips are and it's fucking hilarious
>wash your damn hair, when have you ever seen a biological woman walk around in public with stringy, greasy strands of hair stuck to her face?
>also just growing it out to shoulder length and hacking off the ends yourself isn't enough to look feminine, have it professionally done (with layers to hide your massive jawbones) and if growing your hair longer than that is too hard maybe being a woman isn't for you?
>stop wearing ugly glasses that you've clearly bought from the men's section of the optician's, get some from the women's section or wear contact lenses there's no excuse for that
>shave every inch of your body or at very least bleach it, if the average woman had thick, black hair where you have it (hands, chest, feet, face, back, thighs…) she'd immediately get it waxed off. If you're going to pretend you're a woman, you may as well feel some of the pain of being one.
>learn how to apply makeup? it's not that hard?
At least before the Tumblr era, I noticed a lot of transwomen say that testosterone was "poison". For the intense changes it makes, I understand how devastating that would be for a dysphoric person. HRT treatment for FTMs is so much more successful because unlike estrogen for MTFs, testosterone will change not only musculature and fat distribution, but bone structure and lowers your voice.
Most MTF are so unfortunate with those large facial features and stature that aren't going anywhere no matter how much hrt they take. They can't go backwards. Even if they get good fat distribution on their body, the brow bone and jaw are so unforgiving. Their heads are just so massive next to cis-women. The receding hairlines going on in these photos is even worse. >>186449
Even though I believe we should let trans do whatever they want with their own body, your tips are spot on. The people posted here seem to have never socialized normally with a biological female nor understood them.
>>186449>Implying being a woman is based on how well you shape your eyebrows.
This is how trannies think.
These delusional fucks never were and never will be women.
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These weren't exactly posted on r/transpassing but they are from other subreddits related
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>see this post>well ftms do always pass better>NOPE>>186499
Again with the fucking dumb 'cute' faces.
With different brows, lighter eyeshadow and a hairstyle that was less square, it might work better? The dark eye makeup makes the brow bone look too strong, the hairline makes the face too square and the eyebrows throw off the rest of the look. They're just accentuating masculine features here.>>186449
I think a lot of them just have ~a look~ in mind for a woman (usually red lips and black eyeliner) and won't stray from it even if it doesn't suit them. In my experience, a lot of them still hold stereotypical views of women and try to conform to that instead of something that would work better. The traditionally feminine looks were made to emphasize womanly features. It doesn't really work if you don't naturally have those features. I think that not being born as women makes them desperate to fit the traditional look so they can prove themselves but very few MtFs suit it. Whereas woman will usually go "eh, I don't look good in this, let's move on", I feel like MtFs have really tied their identities into the idea of being traditionally feminine and pretty.
I often wonder how many of these trannies have a porn addiction since they tend to wear the kind of clothing and makeup you see in more ~demure~ porn.
What fucks me off is that it seems like they aren't trying to emulate women they know, just some male fantasy they've seen somewhere. It's like they think they can be a better woman than actual women.
>>186519>It's like they think they can be a better woman than actual women.
I've seen this actual comment from a mtf before, it was just embarrassing. It's amazing how some people can transition into women and still hate women.
Some of them might actually pass with a different style but they all push each other into long ugly party city wigs, stripper heels and cakey makeup. It literally does the opposite of what they want it to do and it starts to look drag queeny.
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I've seen many transwomen say this then throw shit fits when people still clock them as men
With facial feminization surgery and better eyebrows, they could pass for a cute lesbian. It looks like their hair is real and thick? That is helpful. >>186519
I have a MTF childhood friend who is a very nice, humble person, but after she started networking with other trans rights advocates, her friends list is full of all these fetishizing weirdos who are deep into tranny porn" and defining their womanhood by how sexually available they are. They are so obsessed with their "lady dick" and think they are superior to biological women because they have one. There are just too many that fall into that demographic and they look masculine and awkward as fuck. I saw a lot of the promoting a trans porn company called Grooby Girls, which is filled with the worst looking Tgirls I have ever seen. And again, they all have cocks.
I honestly feel very different about trans people who are dysphoric and want to make every attempt to adapt the body as close to a typical woman's(SRS being their goal) and other trans who indulge in cartoonish gender stereotypes and aggressively flail their cocks around.
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what about the ones that don't try at all, anon
>>186531>>I honestly feel very different about trans people who are dysphoric and want to make every attempt to adapt the body as close to a typical woman's(SRS being their goal) and other trans who indulge in cartoonish gender stereotypes and aggressively flail their cocks around.
Agreed. It might be time to start calling some for what they are: Fetishist crossdressers
I have no issue with someone who actually wants to pass as the opposite gender, but basically trying to look like a blowup doll and fucking anything that moves…uhhh yea, most people aren't going to respect that behavior no matter what your gender
I remember seeing a few transwomen go apeshit over this person claiming they were a joke to the trans community>>186551
Oh its totally a pissing contest the people who shit on mtf the most are other mtf and insist that their "bitchiness is part of what makes them female" they are fucking disgusting. Never had these issues with ftm.>>186552
Yes! They behave and reason just like misogynistic man they always were. No change at all. No desire to get on our level or relate past the superficial. They clearly are not legitimate, medical transgender because if you ask if they were born an average, biological woman with no dick, they'd probably say no.
The mtf friends I do have a cool with me because at no point have they ever made me feel like we are not equals nor do they minimize biological women's voices when it comes to reproductive rights, sexual harassment or rape. They acknowledge that we grew up differently for most of our lives and faced different issues.
I think if we could research into the actual fetishizers lives, they all have bad relationships with women or their moms. It's almost like a "Well, I'll show you, cunts!" or a desperate need to escape their past as a nerdy, unpopular, underachieving male.
*Sorry. If you asked if they WISH they were born a biological female.
-same poster as above
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These people are so desperate for identity and acceptance
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what the actual fuck
I think your latter comment may have a lot of merit, I mean its not easy
to admit you are a Plain Jane or regular ol' ugly woman but perhaps trans people really take it to heart. I think all women try to/want to be beautiful on some level but maybe it takes on extra importance to a trans person to not just pass but to pass and be attractive.
Male or female, they both have enviable hair!>>186608>> i can definately see the attraction for these ugly beta males.
Same, I like being female but can somewhat see the attraction. It's like an unusual way of getting a fresh start in life.>>186792
I can see that. I'd think the same, but that she could improve her appearance with some weight loss and better hair/makeup.
>>BTW, to anons saying that MTF's can't pass as women, I've seen a few who really do pass and look great!
I recently had a change of heart on the whole transgender issue. I was really disgusted by them until recently when I realized the ones that I dislike are crossdressers (fetishits), and not actually transgendered. Many of them who pass dress like normal women, and not like some weird blowup doll fantasy.
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The fucking face. Imagine this coming at you at work. A ratty partywig and the greasyface.
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pre-hrt and them titties
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idk if I look from afar it looks quite okay but the bones give it away and I can't unsee it anymore
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>Hi folks. Been on HRT since 10.9.14, I've largely passed without a problem until recently. I started working at a new job and all of a sudden I'm getting misgendered… by my coworkers. I drive buses. Patrons are fine, drivers not so much. Literally another driver tried to stop me from using the women's bathroom. Christ, I was livid… What gives? Is it my hair, my old glasses, the trainee 'uniform'?
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Last one for now. This one made me laugh because his expression is so stupid
This is another one who just looks like an ugly fat woman>>186920
This one kinda passes to me too. Like they actually tried.
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Once again it would be okay if not for the bone structure, it gives it away instantly
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Not from reddit, but I just have to share this beast of a "woman" I met once
There's a very controversial book about it, which splits them up in real transsexuals (those who've felt dysphoria from a very young age, the two year olds throwing a tantrum when they're not allowed to wear the fairy princess dress) and into autogynephiliacs. The latter only "realize" they're trans later, when they can't have satisfying adult relationships, and instead of wanting to do a woman, suddenly they want to become one. They can be incels, but very often they're also serial monogamists who leave a trail of failed marriages and fatherless kids in their wake. There's a different psychopathology at work than the gender dysphoria that true trans people experience.
The book is The Man Who Would Be Queen by Michael Bailey.
You can see how this manifests online: true transsexuals just want to live a normal life as the gender they identify with, the autogynephiliacs are screeching about how they're better women than real women and about how feminists are transphobic for not indulging their fits.
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The manic look in their eyes gets me every time. Reminds me of this, but this woman is acting.>>187001
Sage for samefagging, but chapter 9 of the book, "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies" is free online: http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/JMichael-Bailey/autogynephilia.htm
Best line: "What's the point of being a sacred cow if you don't moo?"
if anyone likes reading about these freakshows, check out the /r/girlschool sub. it's like these mens bimbo fetish turned up to 11 >>187006>"What's the point of being a sacred cow if you don't moo?"
shit, that's fucking gold.
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I present to you, submissions from the Translesbian Memes, a Facebook page for Autistic(almost all identifiy on the spectrum), dick-obsessed Anime fans.
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Several of their "memes" are about being real-life futanari and going on angry, violence-filled rants against TERFs.
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I'm sorry, it's a Translesbian, neurodivergent, anime and dick-worshipping, anarchist Facebook page.
Also, a lot of people are really transphobic, but it seems like most of the vitriol is reserved for feminists who just disagree with the notion of gender but don't actually hate transpeople.
Meanwhile, the people who actually hate and commit violence or even kill transwomen? AKA men? No big deal…
It pisses me off a lot. Had a mutual complaining about TERFs once. Went the the blogs they linked, and ended up following them all because I actually agreed with everything they had to say. I don't hate trans people, either, but I admire a gender critical outlook on the way that feminism is heading at the moment.>>187026
Usually the latter. I'm a lesbian and I'm now very nervous around MtF trans women because (as an active member of our GSA, where I help with fund raising and welcoming new students) I've been called transphobic for refusing to date a trans girl. Not even all of them, but just one. The entire time I had to deal with the situation, it felt like they were coercing me into sex and I had to deal with the social pressures telling me I'm a transphobic shitlord because I don't want to be expected to suck the dick of an obnoxious mansplaining bitchy asshole who never shuts up about how catty he is (as if that's some inherently feminine trait we can all bond over). Disgusting.
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Apologies if this is in the wrong thread, but i am fucking done with transwomen.
For context-the article was about a doctor who is performing FGM. Anyone who actually knows what FGM is knows how damaging it actually is. I will post link if you want to see the bullshit in all its full glory.http://jezebel.com/detroit-doctor-charged-for-allegedly-performing-genital-1794304800
TL:DR this twanswoman goes on a rant about how him being circumcized is FGM, when other commentors say its not the same thing but are not dismissive of circumcision, he claims THEY ARE not only being dismissive but blames them for changing he topic from being about FGM to circumcision. Like the dissonance is unreal.
without the trans nonsense context, this one is kinda funny. like if a cis woman reposted it'd give me a laugh>>187050
if onision goes mtf this is what he's gonna be.
>trans women are born women
then why do they transition lol
>>187050>article about FGM>trans woman with penis thinks it's their time to shine
I'm tired of women being removed from their own movements and issues.
We can't talk about birth control, pregnancy or menstruation because it's transphobic. We can't discuss FGM because men are circumcised. We can't talk about misogyny and sexism perpetuated by some trans women.
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>>187050>that doesn't give cis people the right to exclude trans women from the definition of female genital mutilation
It's literally called FGM to differentiate between the circumcision or mutilation of a penis. Why is semantics more important than the actual issue of children suffering FGM?
I did appreciate some of the replies though
Totes believe onision would be this insufferable if he transitioned (although he wont, he might just start saying hes a woman without hormones and surgeryso he can proclaim lesbians are evil for not wanting to fuck his girldick.)>>187056
Exactly. I have the transmovement now. I got annoyed when they tried to stop calling girls girls in primary school because apparently thats cissexism.>>187058
Thanks for posting these, most of the replies were overly polite to the douchebag. Even those who disagreed were like "oh we understand why you are angry" like i wanted to say fuck off. Being trans should not mean they get a pass on saying/doing stupid shit especially the amount of transwomen who liken black women to being "gorillas" and other monkeys when people point out they are biologically men.
>>187050>Trans women are born women
No they are not. I fucking hate these self-obsessed transwomen who try to bend reality to suit their agenda. You were not born as a woman, you were not raised as a woman, you're a man. No amount of plastic surgery and stomping your feet changes that. >>187056
I reached my limit when during the aftermath of the women's march people suggested that we should refer to women as "womb carriers" when talking about abortion issues because not all women have wombs!!! You're excluding trans women who, after all, are more women than cis women because they CHOSE to be female! uwu
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Woah, it's Michael Cera
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not from the subreddit but a tranner who replied in that translesbian FB group
literally this senpai
thought i was ftm when i was 16, actually got a qualified psychiatrist to take me through it and make me understand that fucking up my body for life isn't the answer to my deep seated self esteem issues
so fucking glad i'm still a girl lol
yep transwomen should never be allowed in feminist spaces. they have no idea what being raised a woman is like and the unique issues we face.
also some other anons were talking about how trans women invade feminist spaces and censor our language about our own anatomy because it's "transphobic". i was going to go to a women's reproductive rights rally (in my area a bill was to be passed decriminalising abortion, didn't get passed in the end) and the event organiser asked for "no gendered language, no uterine/vaginal imagery" because that's "transphobic". it literally INFURIATED me. now we're being censored by people who proclaim they're on our side as well. why do trans women hate women so much? it's honestly so disgusting i can't bear to be around them.
also as a lesbian transbians can honestly go fuck themselves with their mangled cocks, i'm not interested in your sweaty, huge, rough body at all and honestly kill yourself if you try to coerce me into sex by crying transphobia.
One of my mtf friends, who has lived as a woman since her teens, got very upset that other transwomen were doing this at Women's March so she made a post criticizing their refusal to acknowledge a biological fact. Sure enough, she lost several mtf fb friends that day and had to block a few because she dared to stick up for ciswomen. They hate the fact that she doesn't go into convulsions after saying "vagina" or "uterus".
Isn't it weird how the latter group screams that they are women and always have been but they feel we have less authority by default, even when it comes to organs they DO NOT HAVE. Now they're creating cloying terms like "shenis" and "girl-dick" to erase our autonomy even further.
Holy shit. These autistic betas stomping all over women even in places where we are supposed to be safe makes ME feel dysphoric. It's so weird because I have mtf friends that I respect and care about deeply, and then there are those body snatchers that are dominating nearly all discourse. You don't see transmen ever doing that to cismen.
I used to follow a lot of MTF radical feminist blogs on tumblr. Some were detransitioned, most not.
They simply felt more comfortable being considered women in our current gendered society. That's perfectly understandable, that's what radical feminists are trying to fight against and they understood that.
Like "gender" is definitely real in our society but it doesn't have to be. But you have transtrenders fighting tooth and nail to keep it a thing and they don't even realize they're just making society even more sexist and divisive and shitty.
regarding your comment about transmen, in my experience a lot of "trans"men and "non binary" teenage girls may not be dicks to men, but are JUST as bad in feminist spaces. "Not everyone with a uterus is female uwu" "men can have periods too" etc. Like, maybe so, but those people are a minority within a minority and it's stupid to revolve feminist discussion around them.
But it is a lot less because being a transman has really fallen out of style in the tumblr youth. Now all those who identified as a transman for attention and asspats identify as "nonbinary" which i think we can all agree is completely laughable bullshit.
I saw a post on Instagram in the transwomenarewomen tag about protesting BBC presenter Jenni Murray, who criticized trans journalist India Willoughby's privilege and blatant sexism on Women's Hour. This article and the comments about the controversy are pretty thought-provoking. http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/03/07/jenni-murrays-statements-womanhood-not-bias-truth/
If we eliminate biological makeup and gendered socialization, what IS a woman? What is a man? How can a middle-aged biological male who transitioned AFTER they attained success(and had been exclusively socialized) as a man have equal or more say about being a woman than a ciswoman who had been socialized as female since birth?
youre asking questions that has one simple answer
These people are mentally ill. Some of them aren't mentally ill and have a fetish, or think it's "cool" to be trans. The questions you're asking aren't worth thinking about because its giving credence to their illness/phase/fetish.
>>187124>These autistic betas stomping all over women even in places where we are supposed to be safe makes ME feel dysphoric.
To be honest that's the case with most FTMs. The have such a deep resentment towards anything that's female due to femininity constantly being evaluated and guarded by men so that in order to liberate themselves they want to become men. Or at last anything but women. >>187133>what IS a woman? What is a man?
Women have female chromosomes and a female reproductive system. Men have male chromosomes and a male reproductive system. It's just that easy. Intersex people rarely fall inbetween since it's a genetic defect and not a real gender, and most of the time intersex qualities are awfully small. Tumblr like to play it up like they're the true androgynous goddesses uwu but in reality most intersex people have a natal gender with some defects in their biology such as testicular tissue in their ovaries.
> How can a middle-aged biological male who transitioned AFTER they attained success(and had been exclusively socialized) as a man have equal or more say about being a woman than a ciswoman who had been socialized as female since birth?
They can't. That's the point. They have no idea of what it's like to be born, grown up, raised and living as a woman. Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to female spaces or have any say when discussing women's rights. They can't possibly identify with anything else than the fantasy stereotype they've created of women.
It all comes down to physical sex. Gender as tumblrites describe- how you dress, how you "feel", how you "identify" doesn't fucking exist and downplays the very real issue of SEXism. I can dress more masculine and still be a woman. A man can dress feminine and still be a man. In the end it comes down to your genitals and whether or not you actively want the genitals of the opposite sex because your mind rejects your own. Even in that case, trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces because they were still raised with all the privileges that come with being a male and will never understand modern women's issues, which mostly have to do with bodily autonomy and sexuality and reproductive rights.
That was really interesting. Thanks for linking
Thank you. Try saying this anywhere and you're labeled TERF scum and are practically crucified verbally. It's insanity.
What's going to happen when all of these people get bored of their fetish or for those who went under the knife and on HRT realize they didn't actually want to transition after all? I find the abundant number of "trans" people really disturbing. It's supposedly a minute minority but you wouldn't guess that with all the people playing dress up and oppression olympics on the internet.
I wouldn't say "get bored". I think the best way to kill their dreams is them realizing they won't be a "hot" chick when they transition. I read a story about a woman who said her husband's friend admitting to being trans, but wouldn't trasition because he (a balding 350lb man at 5'7" whose highest paying job was as a truck driver) couldn't be the vision he had in his head: a hot brunette with huge fake tits. The reason MtFs outnumber FtMs is because they don't want to be women, they want to be hot and desired and think that they'll go through life on "ez" mode, get to be sluts, and get to be bitches (as women all are, naturally) without social consequences.
We all know it's bullshit, but they still do it, and they still invade feminine spaces. They usually realized they've ruined themselves for life once they see they aren't going to be a hottie and experience the simple life.
>>187145>shifted focus to gendered socialization, discrimination and other life experiences
personally don't find this too good either tbh. i mean, if they take issue with criteria of 'woman' as biologically female excludes penis-ed people, doesn't the criteria of some shared experiences exclude a lot of women too? even though gender issues are a problem in society and gendered upbringing exists etc. using that as a base of womanhood just seems like a middle finger to any women who have not experienced these things or have not based their own identities on them.
like, if you're cisfemale but you feel you haven't personally experienced sexism in life, does that mean you're not really as much of a woman than even a mtf who gets catcalled once? if a mtf puts on makeup and a dress and goes to a rally while preaching about "sisterhood" are they now more of a woman than a woman who doesn't do these things? makes my head spin >>187172>couldn't be the vision he had in his head:
props to the guy for being honest with himself at least. i mean honestly, i have fantasies of being a hot, 6'0 yaoi hottie too, but there comes a time in life to separate fantasy from reality. i'd rather they be just honest they want to be a "hot woman" and live the fantasy "hot woman life" rather than do all this pseudoacademic fronting
That's true, because I myself have led a more privileged life than my other female friends. But there are certain things that a mtf will absolutely never experience growing up, such as catcalling by grown men from a young age and men saying women should be flattered, or the hyper sexualization vs control of our bodies. Perhaps that is something they experience as an adult after transition, but they can't realize the psychological effect that would have when you are a 12 year old girl. Growing up as a boy, whether they feel like one inside or not, has it's own unique challenges and peer pressures. I could never say I know exactly what growing up male is like, despite all my firsthand observations.
It's like, if you gave the average mtf the chance to back and be reborn as cisfemale, would they do it? I don't think most would, especially given how many are obsessed with their penises. I have only met a couple in my life that said "I wish I had been born an average girl and not have to deal with all this(having to transition)"
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>>187203>every single trans girl is gorgeous >don't tell a trans girl how she vents about terfs
So much delusion. They think they're fucking beyond reproach. Untouchable.
I've seen some cute, passing mtf before , but the vast majority look scary, massive and unrefined.
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>MtF, 34yo, 4 months HRT, and feeling pretty androgynous and cute. I'm hoping after this point though the stronger feminization sets in. (no makeup - just wokeup - hard mode gif☺️)
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They're talking about TERFs. Women's reproductive organs look like the head of Baphomet, so we are naturally more evil.
So when's the last time a TERF, or any group of feminists, hunted down a transwomen, raped and beat them to death? When have we ever entertained the idea that it would be okay for us to rape them because we're thirsty for the D? When did we deny that transgender women are discriminated against in daily life or employment? I've never seen a TERF advocate taking away their most basic human rights or murdering them. They have so much hate for women when it is men that are most dangerous to them. We just don't Princess Tiffany Ambrosia dicatating our movement or policing our bodies.
*just don't want
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(saged for no contribs, but see responses like this makes me feel less alone. I feel a bit bad because I dont think saying that being born a girl and "transitioning" into a girl is a hateful thing to say but apparently it makes you as bad as a nazi in some peoples eyes. Also even though I dont share a lot of the same views as terfs I have never come across a terf which advocated for the death of trans people. Transpeople and their allies on the other hand…I will spoiler the next pic which are tweets because I understand to some people they will be upsetting)
ah yeah, i should've guessed that's what they meant. it's funny ciswomen are treated as oppressors now, guess we're good chameleons, we can go from being "pussy pass" useless babymakers in one moment to scheming, anti-trans devils in the next. boy what a ride.
and yeah, it's true, from what i've read terfs do tend to maintain some human dignity in discourse at least. i'm not terf myself, don't really care either way or don't mind using their pronouns and shit out of politeness, but these double standards are so stupid. hundreds of extremist religious preachers would advocate killing trans people outright, thousands of people online propagate beating and raping them, millions probably post very offensive stuff about them daily, but the absolute worst thing is a random woman saying "i think you're mentally ill for cutting your genitals", "i'm a lesbian and not interested in someone with a penis, sorry" or "you can't insult others just because you're a scorned minority"
like shit you'd think transwomen would be ultra supportive of biological women seeing as all the rights, freedoms and privileges they get originally COME from biological women's work.
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Here are the tweets. I find it ironic you have anti-fem pro-trans people like shoeonhead who tweets over and over again that "nobody should be threatened for having an opinion uwu" but I dont see her condemn this. She probably finds it funny. This is the reason I left the LGBT "community" and also why I stopped being an SJW.
I also used to be part of a bdsm community-which is full of MTF who dont want to be women but "little girls" and have some truly fucked up ideas about how women who were abused as kids "actually enjoy it" To the other anons who mentioned how they are not sure MTF do it because they think life will be on easy mode-they sort of do (sort of as in depends how they turn out after hormones) I find a lot of them are insecure too-I once pointed out on a post of a woman who was clearly a man, not in a nasty way-got a lot of insults "oh you must be a fat ugly dyke" etc I said i didnt even think the person was ugly i never commented on that just said its clear to see from their face that they are a man. Que the "even if you were a 10/10 there are transwomen who are prettier" and about a dozen "roastie" comments. Funny thing was this wasnt even the lbgt board it was fucking /tv/ kek. Saged for blogpost.
That's absolutely terrifying. They always talk about cold-blooded violence, sexual assault(such a girly thing to do,eh?) and mutilation against women, but where is the vitriol against men who would torture them? Rape them? Throw them from rooftops or mass-murder them in front of their families? Keep them from a job they are legitimately qualified for? They don't reserve half as much hate to those that have the most power.
>which is full of MTF who dont want to be women but "little girls"
This is one of most disturbing trends: grown adults, even middle-aged with adult children, referring to themselves in diminutive, youthful term, as if WOMAN is too uncomfortable. 50 year olds referring to themself as a "girl" and becoming fixated ott feminized, younger image is so creepy. Like the kissy face dork in >>187217
It's like, bitch. You're not 14. You look like a pre-menopausal lunch lady.
so basically>hey maybe don't tie a woman's value to her looks because that's actually pretty sexist>DON'T TELL A TRANS GIRL WHAT TO DO
See, this shit is annoying as fuck. Being trans doesn't wipe away the misogyny you picked up while living as and being socialised as a man. You can't move yourself into a group, retain the negative views you have of it and still expect to be wholly accepted.
I hate the way lesbians are treated as transphobic for not wanting somebody with a dick. Like what is the plan really? Are these people just going to harrass lesbians until they feel obliged to sleep with them? Are they going to call that a win at the end of the day?
It's all come full circle. Women fought for their right for bodily autonomy and the right to speak up about their issues and now it's going to get taken away in the interests of "acceptance". People think it's a step forward but it's a step back.
Exactly, how is it bad to plainly state the truth ?? Growing up with brothers as a woman will just show you a world of differences. Sure, not every girl experience the same thing, or sometimes it's just the addition of a million tiny things that shape us.
Even if that seems ridiculous, any tiny gesture change our outlook on life as women growing up.
All of my brothers have bikes and started driving them at 16 while I was never allowed to. I was always scolded for not visiting my grandmas enough while my brothers were just assumed to not be family oriented. They could fail classes and get into fights with less consequences than me.
Once our computer was riddled with viruses from porn and I was shamed to death until they realised it was from my bro and it got swept under the rug. They could fuck their gf at home but I wasn't allowed to spend too much time at my boyfriend's place until I left home.
I don't care if that makes me a TERF, even though I never identified with them, but a trans woman will never know how it feels to simply be treated differently, assumed to be more demure, have different expectations on you, be the whore and the madonna at the same time the moment you reach puberty.
All of this. Even when my father was a self-professed liberal and black sheep of his conservative family, my sister and I were always treated differently from my brothers. Simple arguments quickly devolved into gendered insults and dismissiveness of our views. Household chores were gendered and my brothers weren't even expected to learn to cook for themselves.
Here are even more screenshots of militant trans-sanctioned violence and narcissistic savagery: https://terfisaslur.com
These ARE NOT the regular mtf of the past who actually wanted to be real women and live alongside us as equals. These are hateful, jealous men who want control not just over their own disastrous lives, but our lives as well.
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Look at the name of that Facebook group: TERF infiltration of the Feminist movement >infiltration >Feminist
As if Feminism was not started by biological females. They're claiming it as being theirs all along and define its purpose. They have their own fucking movement. Why do they have to hijack ours? It's misogynistic erasure of female empowerment.
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>gender abolition is both encouraging genocide and white supremacy.
At this point it just feels like literal retardation. I mean, that's the only thing I can figure out. They are literally retarded and think they can change the definition of biology to suit them. I honestly am beginning to detest anyone who says they're trans, like actually full on hate them just on that snippet alone. I don't want to feel like this, but holyfuck, this current influx of tranny BS just makes me worried about the future.
I got incredibly salty over this new Dove commercial for 'new moms' which features a transwoman. Fuck that. You are not a mother you man in a wig.
The one shaming someone for making vulva cupcakes stands out to me (though they are all stupid). Women are constantly being shamed, criticized and insulted based on their vaginas and vulvas, there's genital surgery and so on, but these people take a cupcake defying society's view on vulvas and make it about them and how they are oppressed.
Maybe it's a stupid example but transwomen with "female dicks" (ew) can go to any novelty store and pick up a bag of "fun pasta" shaped like their genitals. Female genitalia however? Nope.
"Woman Is The Nigger of the World"
Lyrics: John Lennon & Yoko Ono
Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is, think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it, do something about it
We make her paint her face and dance
If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us
If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don't believe me take a look to the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Ah yeah, better scream about it
We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don't believe me take a look to the one you're with
Oh woman is the slave to the slaves
We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don't believe me take a look to the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is, if you believe me, you better scream about it
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
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Not weird at all.
I'm so happy that we as a society are bringing back Victorian-era freak shows. I mean look at >>187217
, just think that you could've lived your whole life without witnessing that
Why are so many of them so obsessed with their dicks? Why are they so ready and willing to use their dicks as an instrument of violence against women? It's fucking sickening, men are a disease.>>187310
“The Black Woman is the Mule of the World”
But that's from Hurston/Walker. But yeah, that made me kind of squint my eyes, too. Intersectionality wasn't something people gave a shit about back then. Black women were only as good as their support for black men and their attractiveness/exoticness to everyone else.
Speaking of black women, there's this black trans woman named Amiyah Scott who everyone praises and after seeing how she treats and talks about women (despite the fact that most of the people who criticize her in the black community are black men – but wouldn't want to insult the men she wants attention from, right?), I'm pretty much done with the trans community as a whole.
I remember seeing a tweet a long time where she said something along the lines of, "I'm better than you bleeding bitches!" on twitter when 95% of the harassment she receives is from black men. It just cements to me the fact that most trans women see womanhood as competing for male attention (she was a gay man before transitioning). It's so fucking disgusting. They're hurting the feminist movement… for what? Because they're sure they do femininity better than we do? Congrats, you can get laid by the same men who have established such rigid gender roles that you feel the need to transition and live as a woman to escape them.
I tried to find the tweet, but I can't seem to find it, and searching her twitter didn't yield anything. I'm guessing she deleted it, or I just can't find it.
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Not to derail but is it worth making a tumblr thread for delusional trannies? Because seriously the ones on there make the ones on here pale in comparison, they also seem to be a hellva lot creepier
i wonder if we could get something like imab privilege to catch on. any time a mtf tries to talk over women, tell them their experiences of being socialized and growing up male cause them to perpetuate the patriarchy they've grown up with and their opinions need reevaluation lel>>187356>womanhood as competing for male attention
shitty but not really surprising. plenty transwomen now try to take on that good housewife role just to try and compete with ciswomen and pander to men. it's why i'm wary of people like blaire white too. they'll say and do anything they think makes men like them more, and nothing's easier than announcing they're "not like the other girls". also trying to compete for attractiveness with terfs like in >>187203
it's so obvious most of them just want to be a bimbo with a cock up their ass, i wish they'd just come out about it instead of trying to justify it and ruining a powerful, century old movement.
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this is what nightmares are made of
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yeah.. look at her talk. that grill is messed up https://www.youtube.com/user/nathanjenkins11
she also had her kids taken away from her by social services and had claims against her about molesting her children.
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i really tried. liquify + clone stamp tooled the shit out of it. looks weirdly like my sister now.
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These people are on the same level of delusional as Chris-chan>>186525
Fucking Gigi, one of the few who've pulled off the bimbo look but it took half a mil and the death of their Mom
I didn't know where to put this article, probably the transtrender thread but since >>187133
already posted an article I figured here makes sense toohttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/opinion/my-daughter-is-not-transgender-shes-a-tomboy.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
Good article. I wish I could find again the one where a mom was heartbroken that the first thing that was proposed to her non gender confirming kid was to transition.
No council on how to maybe feel better and live with it, just hormones blockers and direct transition.
I'm all for trans right but hell, I was a tomboy feeling ashamed and confused during puberty, I thank the gods there was no Tumblr back then to tell me that I was trans. How can a 8-13 yo could take this big decision?
I just came across this great article from that Feminist Current website linked earlier. Really sums up my own feelings about trying to be a liberal, inclusive person who respects freedom of gender expression, while being logical and not allowing myself to be bullied into submission.
I can't believe THIS well-worded and considerate piece would be labeled hate speech and deserving of the most revolting, violent threats.http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/06/17/you-cant-feel-race-but-can-you-feel-female-on-rachel-dolezal-caitlyn-jenner-and-unspeakable-questions/
It reminds me that I totally forgot how the group that is almost as hated as "TERFS" are the transwomen labeled "Truscum" because they acknowledge the existence of fakes and fetishizers delegitimizing their condition.
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thank you very much!>>187501
here's another quickie. this is actually really fun
Some of the comments are even better:
I don't know. I'm trying to figure out the psychological dynamics going on with Dolezal and Jenner. As this story of Dolezal continues to unravel, I believe she is going to be the proverbial fly in the ointment, not the ointment. I think she has some kind of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Munchhausen Syndrome. Obviously, she is also a very shrewd woman. She is also bold and calculating. After all, as a white woman, she sued Howard University, an historic black university for discrimination. Then, while pretending to be black, she gave a lecture on black hair and announced she was going natural. With that in mind, I think she was knowledgeable about the colorism discrimination that permeates the African American Community, and how it could be used to her advantage. I'm speaking here about skin color hierarchy. There is a very painful history associated with this- as I'm sure some of you are aware of. In some cases, if your skin was darker than a paper bag, you were denied access to social clubs, fraternities, sororities, positions in entertainment, etc., etc. I am very much aware of this phenomenon because I've experienced it. Dolezal pretending to be an African American with white skin and blue eyes would make her the center of attention in an African American Institution. She would also be a major curiosity among whites. If you are a narcissist, it's a perfect role.
Now about Caitlynn Jenner. I happened to stumble on a YouTube video by someone who calls herself "Freelee The Bananna Girl". Apparently she is a Vegan or special diet advocate or something. She has the body of a child, but that's another subject. In her video, she was debating whether a skinny girl's body was more desirable than a curvy one. She attempted to solved the matter by concluding that all women had vaginas. What transpired next were angry comments from transgendered advocates calling her transphobic. Why? Because all women don't have vaginas! Say what now?! So, she basically apologized for having a vagina. Now this is an example of how this debate is getting insane. I feel the same way about Caitynn Jenner. Women are expected to walk on eggshells to not to offend the dignity of Caitlyn Jenner's womanhood. If they dare not accept it, they will be hounded by accusations of transphobia, and the usual demeaning sexists nouns. You will probably hear the usual, you're jealous, too. In some cases this may include threats of bodily harm. Women are expected to not question any of this, while their own womanhood is violated, EVERYDAY! This tremendous pressure for women to acknowledge Transwomen, is not applied to men to accept Trans Men? You should ask yourself, why? Why must women, yet again, discount their own suffering to benefit another. Why are our issues and spaces disrespected. When is Chaz Bono going to appear on Esquire?
Furthermore, it is important to acknowledge here that there are other victims in all of this. We can see how the 3 ex-wives in Caitlynn Jenner's life have been rendered persona non grata. While he played the part of straight, white, Republican male, he used them in his masquerade. He impregnated them and produced 6 children. But that is of no consequence. If he abused them that is unimportant. Women born female don't matter here. His son Brody's girlfriend is disregarded when Jenner commandeered her name, Kaitlynn,as his own. This dismissal of women was also exhibited when Laverne Cox pleaded for the convicted felon, Luis Morales, to received medical services. The purpose, so he may transition into womanhood. Morales is now known as Synthia China Blast. He is in prison for the rape, murder and abuse of the corpse of a 13 year-old girl. Ebony Brown, the victim, will never see womanhood. But that doesn't matter, because real women's lives don't. We saw yet another example here with Christopher Hambrook also know as Jessica Hambrook. He was a transgendered woman that was placed in a Toronto women's shelter where he proceeded to rape women. When he was convicted, transgendered activists advocated for him to be put in a woman's prison. But again, the women that he rape with his penis lives are irreverent, and so are the lives of the women in the prison.
As I said in the beginning here, there are some things that are psychologically perplexing. And, as women we should demand that this issue is debated further. And puh-leeze, this is not transphobia. This is about having a frank discussion, something women should not be afraid to do. Womanhood is being sold as a cheap commodity. It's as though there is a yearning to embody the essence of womanhood- not out of the love of women; but, because "some" "not all", think they can do womanhood better- than an actual woman. It's some kind of grotesque competition or monstrous vanity. Many years ago on one of those trash talk shows, they featured on a bevy of drag queens. At one point you had drag queens screaming at the women in the audience that they looked better than them. What is all of this really about? Obviously I'm not an expert on human behavior. But I wholeheartedly believe there is something here that needs further investigation. Whatever it is, Rachel Dolezal also fits in it… somewhere.
Lee > Buster Brown • 2 years ago
I do think there's some kind of fetishization and idealization, and then devaluation and hatred, that MRA's, rapists, stalkers, porn-addicts, misogynists in general, etc. and some transwomen may have in common.
It's not limited to women. If you listen to racists and homophobes, their obsession with the object of their hatred is often coming from some kind of jealousy (else, why the obsession with something/someone you don't like?).
So, I guess what I'm saying is, yes, I think many MRA's and other woman-haters actually want, in some sense, to be women, or at least what they imagine women to be. This is something feminism is dead-on about – that men would be so much happier if they were able to explore the 'non-masculine' things they are so afraid of/attracted to. They try, instead, to extract those things they do not allow themselves to have from actual human beings and it doesn't work and they get angry.
Laur > Lee • 2 years ago
"It’s not limited to women. If you listen to racists and homophobes, their obsession with the object of their hatred is often coming from some kind of jealousy (else, why the obsession with something/someone you don’t like?)"
The fascination may not be limited to misogynists, but misogyny itself is almost always sexualized. When men who transition talk among themselves, many times they are honest and say when they first started wearing women's clothes, they always got erections, or that their sexual fantasies as men were often based around having a vagina and breasts. I'm not bold enough to say a fetish is what's going on in every single case, but having spent time around transwomen, it's become clear to me that for many, many of them, that is a large factor.
The men with sexual fetishes usually want to declare themselves "lesbians" after transition. There is another group of men who has issues with being gay men, and transition so they can be "straight." This isn't something I'm pulling out of my ass: there is research on this, almost entirely done before trans gendering became a taboo topic to look honestly at.
The website www.transgenderreality.com discusses men's fetishes in more detail.
Their ideal just works against them imo. A bodycon dress and hooker makeup will just make a masculine bod and face more obvious.
If they aimed for average they'd probably actually look cuter than when they aim for cute.
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how about this one lel
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For some reason my first thought was Beans from Even Stevens
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This is why the mtf friends I have are low-key "truscum", but they are forced to walk on eggshells around the rest of the Trans community and we rarely hear their voices in public. They can never outwardly say what they really want without retaliation. It makes me sad when my friends get lumped in with the disgusting sociopaths because my friends have struggled all their life with this and are just trying to good, loving people.
A little OT but ever notice how popular Tgirl porn is with men, yet when a transwoman goes through all the feminization surgery and SRS, suddenly she is not sexually desirable anymore? Like if she blends in and has no dick, these Tgirl-lovers have no more interest or kind words. I feel like the trans community resents those that fully and convincingly transition in to their identified gender, even when they keep chanting trans women are no different than natal women.
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That is some Code Lyoko head there. >>187638
Actually, she doesn't look that bad if she would learn better angles and makeup.
But did she honestly expect them to kiss her ass when she asked for their opinion? They are literally trying to help her so she doesn't get clocked.
I'm kind of impressed how much HRT helps. I mean he still looks like a dude and most of it is makeup/styling but still, it's a noticeable difference.
There's a few MTFs who started HRT in adolescence and it's really impossible to tell that they were ever male. But they probably looked a little feminine to begin with.
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what the fuck
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How'd I do, guys? I couldn't manage to get rid of the discolouration from the stubble unfortunately.
Wow, these are actually very good. These would be great to take to an FFS doctor.
FFS can do wonders, but it so expensive.
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came out looking taxidermied oops
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now he looks a lot like an ex ftm i know
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needs a hairline revision
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You're good anon!
Gonna post more if you want to have some more fun
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do they think they look good when they post these
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What really makes me sad it's to confirm that the conception of being male is the problem, I mean >>186552
this is so fucking true. We don't see that much FTM doing videos about "passing" and how to be a man as MTF doing shitty quality videos about being a woman, because they were educated as males.
I think real transwomen have to be considered in feminist movements but I don't know they should be the center of it. After all, they are transwomen, not women. We have a lot of struggles in common but NOT the same. I would never
have the audacity of telling what how to be a transwomen and so it really triggers
me when a transwoman says she know how is the experience of being a woman.
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Making these edits is strangely entertaining.
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It still looks better than before. I guess some are just impossible to go as female. Btw posting some more
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are these for real
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this one came out cuter than me wtf
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Their hands and their jaws mostly, but a lot of them dress like hookers and it disgusts me so much. Posting some more
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are those hairs on chest
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And funny enough, I didn't even have to change that much. Now they sort of look like Mira without an extra chromosome.
Wow. Maybe there is hope for this one if their body is also passable.>>188849
I was thinking that too. Passable as a PCOS woman.
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This is what it looks like when I fuck around when making Sims characters
>come into thread to laugh and shitpost>end up feeling bad for these people
What do you even tell people like >>186184
assuming they have gender dysphoria how do you help them cope with the fact that they will never ever pass?
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such potential to be cute as a dude, dang
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These look like very mannish looking women to me. I don't know what the rest is doing wrong.>>189021>longish hair>has a soft nose and small jaw>wears make-up and appropriate clothes
But why does this person still look like a dude?
Agreed on the manish looking women comment.
As for >>189021
I'd guess it has to do with subtle differences between men and women such as the forehead indentation and area between the nose and upper lips. I think if he/she got fillers in the forehead and chin, possibly some upper lip injections and changed eye makeup they'd look very feminine and passing.>>188919
This person would make a really gorgeous female with a little surgery and makeup.>>188789
They are probably "regressing" to when they were younger and wished they could have lived those days as a female, like they felt inside. That's my guess at least.
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r/transtimelines also has a lot of delusional folks lol
And why do almost all MtF trans seem to be so mainly before and suddenly "I'm a girl"
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>>189127>>And why do almost all MtF trans seem to be so mainly before and suddenly "I'm a girl"
my random guess would be that they want to force themselves to accept their biological sex? maybe laziness to deal with facial hair? don't want to be judged by peers?
idk what other reasons there would be tbh
Ugh! Why do these burly men want to look like 10 year old little girls instead of a woman their age?! >>189127
I heard one reason is that they try to overcompensate because of the internal dysphoria, so they try to adhere to manly stereotypes. But if they not only look the part, but act the part by perpetuating misogyny and taking advantage of being a gross dude-bro, I will not accept them. You betray us as a man, but want to be our sister now? Fuck that. I'm down with awkward little effeminate dudes who mean no harm and didn't throw us under the bus while living as male. I will support their transition. But the others will always be snakes to me.
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Fuck, cannot unsee.
Absolutely. There are so many FTM's who later de-transition because they realized their motives were just misogyny. They thought being a woman meant being weak, emotional, petty, materialistic and makeup/fashion-obsessed, and they thought, "but I'm not those things, so that must mean I'm a man." Only when they realized that none of those traits or their opposites inherently define whether you are male or female, they went off the hormones and just let themselves be the women they are.
Similarly, I have seen MTF's speak constantly about how "they always loved 'girly' things", how they "knew they must be a girl because they loved dolls/cute clothes and their friends were all girls," how they were bullied by peers, or pressured by their parents due to them not being "masculine enough," (as in the case of Laverne Cox) and in general them idolizing hyper-feminine examples of performed womanhood, giant boobs and butts, Barbie hair, and so on. Though with MTFs that also has a lot to do with fetishism wherein they are sexually aroused by the thought of becoming or dressing like a woman, as studies have shown.
Much of the time it comes down to really shallow, superficial, and stereotypical ideas of what defines a man or woman.
Nah, mtf trannies are fetishists. Gender roles or not, men will always fetishize women and turn womens struggle into a joke. Not fitting the male ideal isn't the issue, they just want to get their rocks off.
For ftm trannies, it will probably help to get rid of gender roles.
I think it became popular to blame society for everything. It is exactly the lack of society and healthy parenting that is the cause of most of the new age disorders imo. I don't think we should normalize mental illnesses either, not to mention encourage people to have them. This doesn't mean we should shame them ofc.
Trannies have a body image disorder. Period. Just like people with ED and anorexia nervosa. But for some reason treated completely differently.
I have no problem with people transitioning but the high suicide rates post transition indicate that it may be not the preferred treatment method. Besides, transitioning feels like a coup-out to me:>I haven't been successful as my biological gender, so let's try the opposite one>>189462
How can you fight for equality while treating the genders differently?
>>189451>The pressure society puts on people to adhere to the two gender ideals is crazy and drives people literally insane.
Precisely. You got it my sister.
I used to be hardcore into trans rights. For years. For the longest time I also considered myself trans since early teens and way before it became the next trendy thing to be. It wasn't until last year (I'm nearing my 30's) when the trans movement started gaining momentum and they went full psycho with the mainstream. The fetishist MTF trannies coercing lesbians into sex. The excessive amount of fakebois and transmen acting out their gay men fantasies. The nonbinary snowflakes spouting out the most misogynistic shit ever ("I'm not a shallow bimbo like all the other women so I MUST be a man!"). Parents putting their very underage kids on hormone blockers. Everything.
It was too overwhelming. I got into multiple arguments about the legitimacy of transgenderism and every time I tried to look for scientific articles to back up my claims, I couldn't find any. Scientists simply didn't find a waterproof biological explanation to confirm that transgenderism is a biological disorder. It was simply not possible for a male brain to be in a female body or vice versa. The whole idea of transgenderism is based on the existence of traditional gender roles and like >>189458
I have multiple post-op trans friends and I'm afraid for their future. So many trans people kill themselves rather than detransition after they realize they have a mangled body they can never fully repair. And I also fear for all my friends who are going through the evaluation and I simply can't convince them to rethink this because "being a transphobe" is the worst thing you could ever be now.
honestly being trans is just extreme body dysmorphia and we treat it how we treat the other extremes, ignore trying to fix the psychological aspect and just give them what they want. look up stuff where people claim to be amputee and then -actually- get amputated. psychologists have to deal with this shit all the time by giving in and the idea of transphobia is just perpetuating the problem.
the thing that pisses me off with this, is that people who push the idea of trans being a medically diagnosed disease are the same people who push how sex and gender aren't related at all, so which is it? you can't "transition" on a fucking spectrum, with their logic trans people shouldn't need to do anything.
gender and sex shouldn't be differentiated, most of the time when people refer to gender, they are referring to gender roles, which are fucking stupid, every sane person can agree, but you don't need to add some special snowflake meaning to that. and you damn sure can't push that -and- push that gender and sex are the same just for transpeople.
on the topic of mtf, while for many it's a sex thing(it still probably is regardless), a study showed that a lot of mtfs have body image issues that stem from their infant circumcisions explicitly, which is just another reason to ban that shit as well.
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I'm a trans person who had extreme gender dysphoria since childhood, started hormones at sixteen (now twenty-one), and am fairly well-adjusted and successful in life. I'd never say this IRL, but I (and a lot of my friends) would probably agree with a lot of the more controversial/rational opinions expressed in this thread.
Feel free to ask me anything about the condition or my experiences.
pic – main moderator of /r/asktransgender (drewiepoodle). Dude is a giant creep both online and IRL. Tried to lure a teenager to his house with hormones. Actually thinks he passes and is """stealth""".
This goes for FTM trans too.
I've met a lot of transmen who don't come across as trans (Not in a passing way but in a "If you're trans, and thus experience body dysmorphia, why are you dressed like a girl today?" way) but identify as such that are butt-ugly.
I really think the trans thing is such a trend with tumblr girls lately for two reasons>Overall uncomfortable with their bodies being seen as women, not because of dysmorphia, but because they don't want to be sexualized>Ugly as fuck so their only option is to be a man (isn't this why Pixyteri is having those issues because she feels so masculine?)
The first one I can related to>Be 11>Get D cup tits>First boyfriend dates me soley for having boobs and tells everyone this>Hit on by creepy old men in public because they can't tell i'm 11 with my boobs>Almost get raped at 16 for someone else who views me as more 'mature' because i have big tits (he was almost 30). He did back off but it was scary. It was less him actively wanting to rape me and more him not understanding that no, i did not really want it, i was just flirting because i thought i was cool. Dumb kid shit>Molested at a young age at well but don't wanna think about those details>First REAL boyfriend at 18 was sexually abusive
So at 17 until I was 23 I thought i was trans or "gender fluid." I had a lot of moments where I thought if i had been born a boy life would've gone better for me.
It wasn't until I regained some of my confidence in my body in my 20s that I started to be comfortable with the fact that inside and out mentally and physically, i am a girl.
It's this reason I'm extremely against transitioning for teenagers unless multiple psychiatrists and doctors agree it's the best solution, especially in the case of FTM.
I wish the trans community as a whole was more open to discussing this because I think a lot of newly transboys are people going through issues with their body that are unrelated to being trans.
I always trust a transgirl more because there's nothing trendy about a guy risking getting beat up or worse for wearing a dress.
I think a lot of the girls posted in this thread fail at passing in terms of some things (like eyebrow plucking) because they might have a very wrong idea of how much work goes into being a woman, even for women born as women. Being a transwoman is twice as much work.
His body and hair make him passable if you're not paying attention. The glasses help too. But if you look close, his lack of makeup gives all of it away.
Also that's fucking disgusting, what the fuck? Luring a teenager in with hormones?
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This is part of the conversation, I'm not sure if there's more but I think he deleted a lot of his posts.
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That's okay, I get the impression that this is how a lot of people feel when it comes to trans issues.
>The only people I have issues are these creeps like that one you posted, that put some lipstick and want magically to be a woman. Also guys like Danielle Muscato that only want to lurk in female bathrooms.
It really boggles my mind how an individual can go through their entire lives as a successful, happy, family man, only to suddenly have an epiphany that they were really "women" all along.
I've met quite a few of these people in real life, and I've listened to their stories. Most of them never really experienced dysphoria as children or teenagers, and the catalyst for their transition often seems to be (reading between the lines) some kind of masturbation-induced self hypnosis.
I'd feel sorry for them if they didn't have the annoying habit of ending up in positions of power (because of a lifetime of male privilege) where they're able to effectively dictate the transgender narrative to the rest of society. They also tend to be loud, obnoxious and rude, and often have a severe lack of social awareness.
what is even that guy's end game? is he ever gonna transition or is he trolling everyone that he's trans for donations and work opportunities?>>189564>and am fairly well-adjusted and successful in life.
hey that's good, you sound ok anon. not really the kind of person most people even here would have an issue with. are you ftm or mtf?
also i'm not surprised, seems most of these reddit communities are riddled with demagogues you can't call out. feel like some of the most "progressive" communities harbor most of the creeps as well, like it's a toxic place for the moderate members.
Don't worry. Despite some of the harsh comments by myself and others, it seems the general consensus is that gender dysphoric people that have gone through years of soul-searching and therapy to reach their conclusion to transition are in a different league that most posted here. Before trans became a catch-all term, most of these people were just Sissies.
I do have a question though. What sort of difficulties have you faced trying to discuss the infiltration of transtrenders and Sissy fetishists trying to speak for the whole transgender community? Or is it just not possible to safely bring it up? I have a couple mtf friends that much to scared to speak up about it for fear of being ostracized and losing their biggest support base.
Xe is aware enough to notice some of the problems concerning the community but not all of them.
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because they were never trans to begin with. Very few 'transgender' people are actual trans who deal with day-to-day dysphoria. Betamales turn to emulating women because they think their lives will be better as women due to failing as men in society. They think women have it easier so they switch teams. Being trans has become disgustingly trendy.
I have empathy for real trans-women because they suffer day-to-day, but these beta males have made being trans a total laughing stock by making a mental illness trendy and a 'lifestyle'.
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This one could honestly get that androgynous sort of look really easy, I don't think it's as terrible a pass as lots of the others.
I think he'd probably only need hrt and maybe a little bit of surgery and would be fine.>>189873>>189878>>189958
I 100% agree with these, and I think that anyone who thinks a mental illness or anything that causes suffering is fucking trendy is a terrible person who shouldn't be supported at all.
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This one looks like a kinda cute dyke>>190376
I'd say they pass, but damn they should remove that goddamn stache and get a nice haircut as well
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I miss this thread
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>I feel really good as a non-girly trans girl
why the fuck change though
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the sad part is, these men think they pass because no one says anything and they're so wrapped up in their fetish they don't realize they make people uncomfortable but people have to be polite. just… the complete lack of self awareness is sad. the worst part is how every lesbian event (not like there's any anymore tbh)just "queer femmes" now and it's just full of guys like this. also, they all dress alike, in a specific way that's kind of hard to describe
I remember reading an article written by a femininity coach(?) for transitioning MtFs and she said that when she went shopping with her clients they would always pick out the most garish and inappropriately sexy clothes.
Literally a part of this woman's job was to get them to wear normal women's clothes, kek.
Trannies fetishizing femininity, more news at 11.
I really don't understand how I ever supported the TG movement. It's so fucking stupid I'm amazed that it's still gaining momentum, mostly because of bullshit fallacies like the image >>194907
posted.>Gender is a social construct but also you can be born into a wrong gender >Gender doesn't matter but however gender is 100% my identity>Female and male are just the same, except not because I was born with a female brain since I like makeup and titties teehee!!!>I hate being female because all the social shit that is included (being a second class citizen, sexual harassment, objectification etc.) is shitty, so I must be a man!>You can't be transracial you idiot, but transgender? Of course! You totally know how it "feels" like to be the opposite gender despite growing up and going through socialization and puberty as your natal gender. I mean I watch enough my little ponies to know how females work!
I'm not saying they'd pass, but all of these people would look a great deal better if they just GOT THEIR EYEBROWS WAXED. What woman would walk around with a big unibrow that swallows up her eyelids and the top half of her eyes? It just goes to show that despite the fact that they feel like they're women, they STILL don't feel the same pressures that women feel. I was bullied so hard as a child for having dark leg hair, can't imagine the abuse I would have gotten if I had two big slugs on my face like they do.>>194933
Wow the start of that video enraged me. What's wrong with a woman coaching people who VOLUNTARILY go to her and pay her to teach them how to not look like shit and dress in tacky, fetish wear? Do they think female babies are born with lash extensions, perfectly glossed lips and a pair of heels? We're all taught by someone how to be feminine (our mothers, our grandmothers, in a lot of cases strict fathers too…) It actually brought a smile to my face at the end because that woman is offering so much more than picking out outfits. She's showing people life skills (how to apply makeup, how to walk, how to pick out a pair of glasses) and giving them the female friendship that they missed out on while growing up that would have forced them to adhere to a certain standard.
When I was younger, I did ballet. Almost everyone I knew did. It taught us how to stand up straight and keep our chins up because even having BAD POSTURE is considered unfeminine. We did character and it was how I first learned to walk in heels (nope, walking in heels didn't come naturally to us, shocker). I bought hundreds of girly magazines that taught me everything from how to insert a tampon to how to achieve the "perfect smokey eye". I learned how to dance by watching MTV and I learned how to walk in a feminine way by watching models on the catwalk. We had compulsory home economics (cooking, cleaning, sewing and childcare) and personal development (how to shave your legs, videos of women giving birth, how to apply makeup, how to deccorate your home and plan a wardrobe) because I went to a girls' school. My parents didn't allow me to chew gum, I wasn't allowed to wear glasses, I'd be told off for not sitting straight or not keeping my legs closed or talking in a certain way, I wasn't allowed to whistle, I was berated for biting my nails, I wasn't allowed to cut my hair… Can't believe these people claim to be "more of a woman than cis women" when they've had a COMPLETELY masculine upbringing and refuse to even let kind cis women help them.
You want to "pass" as a woman? Then you need a fucking coach to force you into rigid gender norms that mummy and daddy didn't drill into you for the first few decades of your life.
Yeah, I myself recently woke up to how fucked up the whole transgender movement is. I still support them in the sense I don't think they should be discriminated against, but I strongly feel that being "transgender" is not a real thing and the whole movement is such a trainwreck. Like you pointed out, I don't see how it's so different from saying you're transracial. That's simply an illogical double standard.
The thing I hate most is this fucked up mentality many transwomen and allies deep in the koolaid have that transwomen are more women than cis ones because they "worked for it". Um… fucking excuse me? You're seriously that self-involved and ignorant that you think you're the only ones who've had to "work" or suffer to be female? Like yeah, fuck you. That is so disgustingly dismissive of what ciswomen go through. You're basically saying any discrimination women face or the awful biological shit we go through (agonizing periods, pregnancy/childbirth and avoiding it) mean nothing. Of course, if you bring up pregnancy and periods, you're being insensitive cis scum.
The say gender is a social construct, but… it's not. Why does gender logically have to be anything more than male=penis, female=vagina. I'm very curious how many people who still call themselves trans if men wearing women's clothing was more normalized.
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What the hell
That's why before taking hormones or getting surgery counseling is required (not sure if it's required everywhere, but at some places it is)…
Btw read some stories, how real trans people who are unable to transit end up.Spoiler alert, they fucking kill themselves.
Yeah but the ones that transition end up killing themselves sometimes too.
Or they detransiton because they realize that cosplaying as the opposite sex didn't make them feel better.
Wtf are you talking about, anon? Where the hell in my comment did I say anything about surgery? I was talking about what the woman helps them with in the video, which is dressing and doing makeup in ways that make them pass for female better, that has absolutely nothing to do with surgery. If anyone needs their head checked, it's you.>>195005>incredibly manipulative
It's being real. You're not the one effected by it, they are. So yeah, I'd say when it comes to what they want to do with their bodies, they should get the final say after years of therapy and being certain of their decision, not people who can't possibly fathom what they're going through.
I can't believe the arrogance of some of the people in video.
I think the difference between Monica and the people making comments at the beginning, and the presenter is that Monica seems to actually give a shit about trans people as individuals. We can all make sweeping statements of how things should be, how other people are wrong, whatever, but how many of those people are actually doing something meaningful for another persons life?
I don't know how to feel about gender identity stuff sometimes but I found myself really touched by this video. I can't imagine how great it must've felt for those guys to be really pampered, taught, taken seriously and honestly look great afterwards. It must've felt really validating to walk around with the beautiful Monica and be one of her gal pals.
so what do you guys think of what's happening here?https://www.insidetoronto.com/news-story/7367851-toronto-s-women-only-body-blitz-spa-draws-ire-for-alleged-no-penis-rule/
A popular women-only spa has generated controversy after transgender clients were allegedly refused service.
Recently, Body Blitz Spa, which operates two locations in downtown Toronto at 471 Adelaide St. W. and 497 King St. E., allegedly refused to admit a transgender woman to one of its facilities.
Weronika Rogula, who identifies as a gender non-conforming queer, is friends with a transgender individual who was recently denied entry to the spa.
On their personal Facebook page, Rogula said they’ll no longer be patronizing Body Blitz because of its anti-trans policy.
“They do not welcome trans women in their women-only spa and so I am done giving them my money (benefits) and encourage you to do the same,” Rogula wrote on Friday, June 9.
“Women-only spaces should not be for cis (someone who identifies with the sex they were born as) women only, but all women including trans women who are women. We know this and so should they. Bye bye blitz.”
>>195008>they should get the final say after years of therapy and being certain of their decision, not people who can't possibly fathom what they're going through.
I'm an ana-chan, and I don't think doctors can fathom what I go through either. Does that mean they should support me? That the health care system should pay for lipo to remove all fat from my body?
That's a shitty argument
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this fucking guy
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Legit feel bad for Colin that this is his son
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I wasn't gonna post anymore but this one
All the enraged MtFs are likely pedos who just want to wave their dicks around where there are minor girls. The no penis rule is totally fair.
On a tangent, why the hell are MtFs so obsessed with keeping their penises even after transition?
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