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Is anyone in a interracial relationship right now? Even if you're not, discuss your thoughts, feelings, experiences, hesitations, fears, etc. about them.
My relationships have always been interracial because of where I live and even though my boyfriend is Hispanic like my exes, he looks extremely white because he's mixed - colored eyes, light hair, pale skin, etc. I've been kind of afraid of what people might think because I'm an Asian girl. I wouldn't ever stop dating him because of this, but I don't want people to assume I'm self-hating, hate Asian guys, or worship white dudes, as is the stereotype. I'm really proud of my heritage and would've dated one if I could ever find one who didn't look and act like the usual Asian American guy (tan, buff, not boyish/pretty, doesn't care about his culture, doesn't speak his parent language, etc.) I've never gotten weird looks or anything but I wonder how people would feel if we moved to a place that had a higher white/Asian population. Maybe I'm just too in my head about it.
I think it's relevant to my post :) I grew up thinking not accepting interracial relationships was pretty backwards but once I got on the internet I read about the things that >>191078
talks about. Before in my experience it was mostly girls being fetishized but with the rise of K-pop, I also see Asian men being desired in a objectified way. Where I live, non-Hispanic (white, Asian, black, etc.) people are put on pedestal/fuck list because we're exotic. It's very degrading.
I guess it's mostly the internet that's polluted my mind, mostly AA oriented Reddit subs (r/hapas and /asianamericans) and they concern me because some of posters (hapas especially) really do seem off their rocker about this. Another thing I wouldn't appreciate is my boyfriend's heritage being erased by these people if he's seen with me. Initially he looks just plain white, but if you isolate some of his features like eyebrows, facial hair, nose, etc. he's an archetype of the "white" Latino - kinda like Elvis the Alien lol. He doesn't even like it when his/our friends distill him to being only one race in non joking manner. >>191097
As an American here I find it has just as much to do with race as it does culture. My dad has brought up concerns about my bf being able to communicate with him and my mom, but my mom prefers I not marry someone from my native country since she's afraid wouldn't treat me well as per the marriage culture there.
I agree with the culture thing, I'm mixed race (half white but I don't look white) and I grew up in pure small town American suburbia with mostly white nerd friends, I can't begin to imagine dating someone from the non-white non-American part of my heritage. I feel really out-of-place when I stay with that side of my family.
As for dating, I've never had any serious relationships and the one guy I did casually date was white. I tend to be attracted to white guys or mixed guys.
>>191100>As an American here I find it has just as much to do with race as it does culture
Well no offence but when you all share the same cookie cutter culture then it becomes about race.
I'm a white European dating another white European from a different country, and our 'native' religions also differ (I'm Orthodox/atheist, he's Lutheran). It's still a problem sometimes. I know Americans think all white people are the same but I'm still treated differently by him and his friends than I would be if I was a typical girl from his country, and vice versa.
Honestly our relationship wouldn't work out if we weren't communicating well, but we tell each other everything on our minds and are able to talk it out so it's good.
I personally would never be able to be with someone who thought less of me or was condescending because I came from a culture he thought was inferior to his, and I've actually met a lot of guys like that. Like a big chunk of lonely European and American men go to Thailand or the Philippines to get a gf there because they think they're submissive and stupid/gullible and will settle for any white guy.
I've even been hit on by an Irish man who asked me if arranged marriages were a thing in my country and wanted to 'save me' from one. He was 100% serious too, I'd never laughed so hard. Most of them are stupid Anglo tourists that we laugh at when they leave.
That's shitty of them, you'd think they would look past all of that and not place you in a situation where you feel uncomfortable.
My old roommates were married and she was black and he was Arabic. Anytime we would go out to eat or go on campus to hang out people would constantly treat them both as unequals with nasty glares or rude remarks. It's really shit I'm sorry you gotta go through it, anon.
Fuck what anyone else thinks. I know its hard, but it's your relationship, not anyone else's. If they assume things about your relationship just because of your races, they're probably not people you want to get too close to in the first place.
Me and my SO are in the same racial categories as you guys, except I'm also mixed with Arab. I've gotten shit from guys on both sides of my family for being with a "white" guy, which honestly I find kind of creepy. Ultimately, a mixed guy understands how I feel about race better than a guy who is just Asian, or just Arab, and is less likely to be conservative and treat me terribly.
At the same time, I definitely wouldn't date a guy who is only or mostly white though. I've done that, and they make up for their lack of culture by mocking yours. Not worth it.
thanks for the kind words, anon
it's true though. like it's the stereotypes that affect us both cause this fuss for other people - i know that my boyfriend struggles with accepting that he is considered an "other" (he doesn't look totally white but whiteness is all he knows from his parents) but that i am also stereotyped way more than he is (as a black woman). i also meme about white people because of shit like what >>191146
said ("they make up for their lack of culture by mocking yours") – my bf actually made an implication about me and bikes once, even (okay, granted, that was nearly fifteen years ago, but fucking really) so i think i get a pass since i have to deal with the conflict so often. trade off.>>191179
virtually all dudes dating online are white, and it is so weird to me, but i feel like people use tinder/apps or whatever now… since there are many who date asian/biracial men in this thread, how did you all meet your partners?
lol yes offense. you do know that even between states there's a lot of culture difference right? we both were raised in the same state so in some settings our american identities take precedence over our native culture, especially when socializing with peers.
ngl we make white jokes all the time >>191233
i think it's cool he can step back and have fun with it, but i do get uncomfortable when my more SJW friends start becoming more aggressive about white people, because it's like hey, don't direct any of this towards him he's still from the same culture as you…
i met mine in college a few months ago. we both work as TA's during the same class but we got to know one another more as we started hanging around the computer science lab at the same time. i don't use tinder because i'm still kind of young and the scene is kind of trash here, so i feel like the desired guys aren't looking online - they're getting enough attention offline. plus i'm afraid of being fetishized
(weeb/koreaboo culture down here is gaining traction) + don't like knowing that my potential spouse was/could've been talking to other girls as they struck up conversation w me. my personal hang ups tho.
I met mine through the PS4 haha. A friend of mine invited him to our party chat. I thought he was cool and interesting. Then we slowly started only chatting with just the two of us. Which escalated to full blown flirting with the most corniest and cheesiest stupid pick up lines and compliments and then we just told each other our honest feelings and we've been together for almost a year now. I'll be visiting him by the end of May hopefully but The funny thing is, this only happened cause of a console. Although I will be honest with you, I was quite weary of him because we never know who they actually are right? Cat fishing has increased significantly but I'm glad that didn't happen to me.
I ramble too much, sorry!!
…yes? You all speak the same language, wear the same shit and have similar customs.>>191392
Only if you beg for it
I was having a bad day, but reading these posts cheered me up because they're so over the top and silly that I couldn't help but smile. Thank you.
Keep doing what you're doing.
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A+ shitposting, never change
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i thought it was supposed to be a meme
>>191078>white guy and it's kind of weird because I found out he was a white supremacist with a raging yellow fever pretty early in the relationship and he's very much into race play
I've never been able to understand this meme
>"g-guys we've got to save the white race!"has kids with a filipino girl
Man, I wish I could get an islander bf. I find them super attractive and I like how big they are.
I've never really spent much time with them except the occasional maori girl though, am I right in thinking I probably wouldn't click with one if I'm too quiet/serious? I know it's generalizing but still.
No one raged at you nigga. They just asked you why you were dating a Chinese guy and then complaining about his family being shitty towards you.
That's just what East Asians are like in general. Muh filial piety will preclude him ever standing up for you against them, that's something you've got to understand.
And shit. No one is jealous of someone for dating a Chinese dude. Don't make us laugh. Outside of niche asiaphile communities, Asian men are viewed as undesirable by most non-Asian girls and dating one is viewed as an opposite of a status symbol. What planet are you on?
'cause I live with him and like HIM, not his family? It doesn't sound that weird to me. Where I live, people don't stay really close with their parents passed a certain age.
Why are you even this mad?
Farmer I… Where did you even get I was mad from that? It's annoyance. Annoyance at your ignorance of a really basic racial/cultural difference.
Not everyone on earth is the same. Not all races are the same and it's not a case of our differences being merely what cuisines we eat and minor cosmetic stuff, in some cases it cuts right to the core of what we consider values. That's something you really should be aware of if you're above the age of 18.
>>191738>It's not like Americanized asians are any different from white people.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html?_r=0
^ The guy who fed them the intel was a second-generation Chinese-American who now lives in Asia. He'd disagree with you, clearly there are differences.
>which I found incredibly shallow and disappointing
Anon. If black people can take pride in their natural hair and asian people their eye folds then you should be able to take pride in your green eyes.
Nothing wrong with beautiful features.
What are you even rambling about? I can't vent (in the vent thread) about shitty bf family talking shit literally to my face bc muh cultural differences? What even.
And yeah, I grew up in deep rural western Europe. There wasn't any cultural diversity, at the time. I think he literally is the first Asian person I've ever came to meet, at the age of 19, that wasn't the waiter of the only Chinese restaurant in the area I grew up in.
Are you aware not everyone has the chance to grow up in a big town? But yeah, I guess I should I have somehow been infused about the knowledge of other cultures (no Internet wasn't a thing at the time, especially considering the fact English isn't my native language).
You don't need to be exposed to people of other races to understand deep-seated racial differences exist.
I guess I just don't understand why it came as a shock to you. Did you think all races were exactly the same?
Anyway, that's how he is and how he's going to be. You must have low self-esteem if you're going to sit around a dinner table while your boyfriend's family shit-talks you in their own language and he keeps quiet.
You don't need to be exposed to different things to be aware they exist? You just conjure them in your mind from nothingness?
I accepted it anyway, because I love him. But it still shitty and I still sometimes complain about it.
>>191753>You just conjure them in your mind from nothingness?
Do I need to see it in person to know that Muslims shove their asses in the air to pray?
>I accepted it anyway, because I love him.
Doormat with low self-esteem.
Well, if you didn't see it in reality, learn it in school or see it on TV, yes.
I know it's weird but information wasn't as easy to get as it is now.
It's just odd to me that your parents would raise you believing that all races are exactly the same and that you wouldn't at least guess there are some basic differences from reading books and stuff.
Honestly anon, it's not a huge deal for Chang to turn around to his parents and ask them politely not to shit-talk the woman he supposedly loves in front of him when she's a guest at their house.
I mean I come from a pretty traditional family too but that sort of rudeness is alien to us. Some Chinese people just baffle me.
Actually, my parents were 'jokingly' racists and told me about disowning me if I would bring a black or Arab man home (nothing about Asians tho, so I guess it was a grey area?)
All my books were either bought from the supermarket or came from the tiny library. There wasn't much choice.> Mom, I'm home from the library. > What have you got honey? > 'The intricacies of dating an Asian man in your late 20's'
Joking, but really, it was only cows and white people, no information on the outside world.
And yeah, he tells them, but they do it the next time. I' ve tried to be really nice, I've tried not to go, but besides him not going at all (and I don't want him to stop seeing them because of me), I just can't sway them.
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I just think it reflects badly on you too, since you represent your family - who (as far as I can tell) have been good to this chang kid. And then his family turn around and treat you like shit. It's like they have no idea of reciprocity. Pisses me off. You should feel offended on behalf of your parents too if that's the case, since their kindness is being taken advantage of here, in a roundabout sort of way.
I'm guessing you're French too. Unfortunately there are lots of primitives from Wenzhou in France, weren't a few of them rioting a few months back? >>191763
An Asian would counter this by saying that you aren't respectful enough to your parents (which has a ring of truth to it, no denying that), but the thing is… Everything to Asians is about subservience. There's no concept of a justly earned respect that's voluntarily given.
It's just pure animal obedience to whoever is your "superior". Look at the kowtow, it's a way of deliberately making yourself as small as possible, in the same way some burrowing animals do.
Literal animal behavior.
I've cut ties with my parents 5+y ago and moved countries. They are backward racists and anti-gay. I don't regret doing it for a second, but it was my own decision. I don't know what they think about him but I guess it's something like not being happy about it while thinking it could be worse.
You're kinda projecting, I think and I think you should get that checked. You're right about the French thing, tho.
>>191765>cut ties with my parents>because they don't like the idea of me dating some Maghrebi trash
You're more of a trainwreck than I expected. Carry on.
And don't you find it a bit odd to break ties with your parents for their "racism" but you're ok with a guy who is complicit in his parents' racism toward you?
Is having some pindicked fetish boyfriend for the sake of animes and idorus really worth all that?
Really odd isn't it?
I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head at this whole story.
Holy shit, you have this impeccable mix of unwarranted self importance and utter stupidity anon.
It's actually amazing.
>>191751> I'm not sure why she feels Indians are better than black people
Indians have a history of civilization and significant historical achievements. Thousands of years ago, they had impressive architecture, law, writing systems, technological advancements, and culture. (Although things have gotten a bit shitty since then)
Africans were still at literal stone-age level until white and Arabs came.
They never even invented the wheel, let alone figured out how to smelt metals. They didn't have writing systems, their languages are incredibly basic and primitive.
Hundreds/thousands of years ago, white men and East Asian men built amazing civilizations, architecture, and cities. While at the same time, Africans literally never advanced past the stone-age.
Basically Africans are dumb, very low IQ, if I was Indian I still wouldn't like blacks either.
The men are just your garden variety racial fetishists whereas the women tend to be mentally screwed up on a whole other level, venus, margaret, kanadajin, those sad girls who whore in kabuchiko etc.
That stuff is born from girls who lack an identity of their own. Let's not overstate things though. Asian men aren't viewed as desirable by the vast majority of non Asian women.
That's where appearances can be deceptive though. "Westernized" can often just mean superficial traits, when on the inside they're still hardcore.
Watch out for anyone with mixed loyalties as far as their home lands go. That's a dead giveaway. Call me old fashioned but I don't think you can be loyal to both China and America in this day and age.
From a southern european perspective probably northwestern Europeans. At the very least you're not going to be with a man whose culture views male cheating as ok. Here's how I'd say it breaks down.
Chinese and Koreans.
Italians, Spaniards, Slavs and Greeks.
Best you're going to get tier:
I'd list blacks but I find them too repugnant to ever consider dating one even hypothetically.
alot of them cheat if their gf/wife isn't acting how they want. chinese and koreans are really misogynistic so they don't wanna stay with someone who's not really obedient.
said. They used to be polygamous cultures and they never really shook that off. What you have to understand about Chinese and Korean culture is that most Chinese and Korean women don't really care if their husband cheats, so if you kick up a stink as a foreign wife you're going to look like an idiot who nobody sympathises with.
So was China and they were a polygamy culture. Same as Korea.
Korea never had monogamy culture system until westerners brought it over.
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Wishing you the best, anon. Hope the adoption goes well later this year.
I wonder who could be behind these posts.
Fuck off /pol/ and/or /r9k/
Was it your boyfriend's choice not to tell them about you? How do you feel about it?>>192484
Thank you, glad to hear someone had a good experience for once. My bf's mother sounds so sweet and interesting from the things he tells me, I hope she'll be that way whem meet.
Have some self respect you idiot. Again, if he doesn't stand up for you now he never will.
Why do people put themselves through this unhappiness just to seem trendy or satisfy some weird race fetish?
White European, Asian bf born and raised in US.
His parents are very traditional so he hasn't told them about me yet (they expect him to get asian waifu), and I have never met them. But I will be staying at their house soon, with the excuse that I'm a friend from college.
My parents know about him and are cool with it though. >>192487
That's fucked up. Using culture as an excuse to be abusive is not cool.
>>192606>they just want what is best for their children so of course they are suspicious at first
this tbh. idk why people expect parents to welcome you with open arms no matter what.
anyway plenty of monoracial couples deal with parents hating them for no good reason, so why is it so different when the parents aren't white.
It's more that white parents wouldn't be shown such tolerance by people like you and the person you're replying to if they wanted their daughter to date a white guy.
It's part of a broader double standard that views east asian racism in a softer light. Not commenting on the value of their belief systems or not, but there's definitely a double standard there.
The hen pecked husband stereotype is only true for a minority and then only really true for old couples. And you could realistically say that's true for a lot of old couples regardless of age.
The anon you were replying to is mostly wrong though. But for other reasons. >>192620>anyway plenty of monoracial couples deal with parents hating them for no good reason, so why is it so different when the parents aren't white.
Because we're discussing hatred with a racial animus. Usually there's a more substantial reason if a white daughter's parents dislikes their daughter's boyfriend. >>192605
I don't think there's a huge difference in a man's likelihood to cheat by race.
I think what was being discussed above is how culture views cheating. Korean and Chinese culture does not view men cheating in as negative a light as western culture does. There are similarly deep cultural divides in regards to things like how prostitution is viewed. South Korea tops the list when it comes to the frequency with which married men visit prostitutes by a huge margin. I think it was something like a third of married men admitted to seeing prostitutes at least once a month.
>Cheating is looked down on everywhere
This isn't true at all. If a Chinese man has money then it is almost an expected outcome that he has a mistress. I've had friends tell me of entire offices in Chinese cities they worked where almost every man has a mistress if it's a big firm. They'll even bring them out to dinners with their team occasionally.
You've fallen for the "all cultures have fundamentally the same values" meme or you're just trying to convince yourself of it. Either way you're wrong. >>192604
Most Koreans who reside in America would disagree.
In any event. If you're dating an Asian guy there are red flags to watch out for in my experience. One thing mentioned above was the concept of dual loyalty. Of professing loyalty to both, say, China and America. Another thing is how he views women of his own race dating interracially. A lot of Korean men for example will openly say they dislike Korean women dating white or black men but want to "ride the white horse" themselves. If you're in a relationship with an Asian man like this I can only advise you to leave and gain a rudimentary level of self esteem. No amount of silly anime and k-pop fantasy will make such a relationship work in the long run.
>>192631>>The hen pecked husband stereotype is only true for a minority
It's true in all my Asian dating experience, and one of the reasons I love Asian (especially Chinese) men. Maybe it's just because I like nice guys, but I am always spoiled and waited on in my relationships.
>>Korean and Chinese culture does not view men cheating in as negative a light as western culture does.
I can't speak for Korea because I don't really like Korean men, but in China even if cheating is a common issue, the husband or mistress are going to have their ass beat if/when they get caught cheating lol. In Hong Kong it's even legal for women to kill their husbands if they catch them cheating.
>>In any event. If you're dating an Asian guy there are red flags to watch out for in my experience.
Thanks for the advice, anon. My Asian exes and I both loved seeing Asian girls with white guys, so maybe I'm just lucky in the men I choose to date.>>192662>>the problem with white women who get into relationships with Asian men is that they're not viewed as marriage material for Asian guys.
All of the Asian guys I've dated have been interested in marriage. In fact, I find they are much more eager to marry than my own race (white). It's odd to hear so many anons having opposite experiences. I really think it just depends on the guy you choose to date. There are assholes and nice guys in every country/race.
>I think family is the biggest issue, he doesn't understand what the family dynamics are like in more collectivist cultures.
Yeah, this is something I noticed. White people are just a whole different world to me in that aspect. Their parents will put up with a lot before they get too angry and put their kids out. I'm black, over the age of 18 with all the good stuff going for me and lol some of the shit he does, and stuff I've heard from white female friends makes me break out in a cold sweat. It's part of the reason it didn't work out with neither my fully white or half white exes. They just… Thought we'd be able to do whatever, whenever and just talk back to parents and grandparents. My friend said something similar about her ex. (she's west Indian from a country similar to mine) it didn't work out for them either in the end.
He is angry that I'm not more independent but frankly I'm too poor to risk being turned out of the house and he's not putting me up in an apartment so there
THIS. They just don't… Understand that our parents will only tolerate so much, and that is pretty much dictated by our cultures. They had the rules they had to follow back home, and they bring those things right back here. And if you don't want to follow them or want to embarrass them you can get kicked out.
>>192870>shopping trips>plastic surgery
If it sounds too good to be true anon, it is.
Imagine the power dynamics at play.
What happens when these women get a surgery their husbands don't like, or refuse to get the one that the husbands want?
Whenever a man gives a woman money, it's almost never "free." Men use it to financially own women and lord the favor over their heads anytime they need persuasion to do something. Not to mention the husbands can punish the women anytime by pulling the wallet.
Sounds awful having no financial independence.
>>192631>One thing mentioned above was the concept of dual loyalty. Of professing loyalty to both, say, China and America. Another thing is how he views women of his own race dating interracially.
Both of these are excellent red flags, and oddly enough in my experience they apply far more often to Asian American men than they do other types of Asian men.
Some Asian Americans in general are really good people who combine the best from both cultures. But there's a sizeable minority who never really fit in (largely because of their own behavior or their parents' racism/insularity) and basically end up blaming whites for their failures. This is particularly true with the bitter asian man archetype that has become all too common in recent years. These people want to be accepted by White Americans while simultaneously chatting shit about how they hope China takes over the US and so on, cheering on foreign powers when they steal US technology and secrets and so on.
70 years ago they'd have been hung from lampposts for that kind of talk.
Wow, really didnt except this much triggering
. This is exactly what i meant by draining.>>192851
What ulterior motives lol?
Japanese seem a lot more likable than other Asians (in before weeb), less likely to sperg out about their own women dating out etc. The sorts of things you hear Koreans say about white women are disgusting by contrast. I have a cousin that worked in Busan for a while and he told me his girlfriend was scared of being seen in public with him because Korean men would occasionally shout obscenities at her.
I'll never understand the love for Korean """""culture""""" some people on here have. >>193026
It's just that Muslim men have a tendency of putting on a friendly, westernized face when they want to ensnare a girl and then reverting back to their primitive ways once they've got her.
Bear in mind people tend to become more like their parents as they get older too. You may think your dude is the exception, but that's very rare. >>193030
I think when you're half you're entitled to sort of "pick a side" as crude as that sounds. If you date and marry a white dude, your kids are going to be 3/4 white, and most likely white-passing for example.
NTA, but I'm guessing both of you are American or Canadian.
For a lot of people in non-North America, interracial relationships imply an international relationship, meaning there's always some kind of language, cultural or legal barrier which, yes, creates a power imbalance and often fetishises one half of the couple, usually the girl. Most interracial relationships I'm familiar with are>white European guy with [insert SEA country] girl, girl barely speaks English and is very clearly hanging around so she can move to Europe while he is with her for ??? reasons>white European guy with European girl of different nationality, she speaks horrible English and none of his local language but he doesn't want to move and makes her stay with him anyway even though she's very obviously unhappy>girl from poor country with guy from less-poor country, he obviously sees himself as better than her and has no interest in her culture but expects her to show interest in his and learn his language>girl from abroad, girl's family is religious, he sees them as savages and talks shit about them>guy from abroad, guy's family is religious, they see her as a savage and mistreat her>Anglo and non-Anglo, Anglo moves to non-Anglo's country to 'find themselves' and somehow still acts entitled and snotty and expects the people there to cater to them
And the classic>guy in a relationship with girl who speaks none of his languages, not one, not a word, but they still somehow managed to 'fall in love' and he loves her 'personality' despite knowing very little of it
From what I've noticed, there's always some kind of power imbalance and or fetishisation involved, either subtle or overt. The only time I've seen interracial relationships where nobody has any ulterior motives is when it's two very young people dating in international schools, because they're usually both young students with little disposable income and nothing to gain since they already have visas and their parents can obviously pay for their studies and trips abroad.
Wouldn't know, I'm not from Western Europe.
Go ahead and call me poor and stupid, it just proves my point.>>193043
Good on your parents, but the UK is a different matter altogether. In most non-English speaking countries in Europe (that I've lived in) it was usually detrimental to one half of the couple and one of them struggled to find a job because, despite being 'fluent', they just weren't 'fluent' enough. If they were an Anglo they just became an English teacher, but at least that's better than being a housekeeper or toilet cleaner for the rest of your life.
Yes, thank you. Describes perfectly a lot of interracial couples I've seen.
I'd also like to add the white European girl who thinks shitty third world culture is ~exotic~. I've plenty of friends who have moved to Africa, India and the Middle East with guys who they fawned over here while they were studying here. They'd suddenly become ~super interested~ in their culture and ask them to bring back things like saris, dashikis and jewellery when they visited home. They also shit on their own culture a lot claiming that their country "has no culture". Once they move and marry, you never hear from them again. Or in the rare case that you do, it's just to remind others that where they're living "isn't as bad as it seems" constantly.
Got a friend living in the UAE added on fb and she's my own personal lolcow.
Poor and stupid? Where even did I say that?
Way to ignore my argument, tho.
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>>193046>is from the UK>comes at other anons with the ole "Heh…You must be uncultured swines from America or Canada, lemme show you what it's REALLY like in the REST OF THE WORLD~"
I literally said I'm not from Western Europe, and even said it can't compare to mainland Europe in terms of interracial dating.
Like, if you'd only read the post you're replying to…
>>193034>The sorts of things you hear Koreans say about white women are disgusting by contrast.
Tbh i've notice most Asian men (incl. westernized) have disgusting views on white women
They fetishize the shit out of them, a lot of them have this unhealthy obsession with getting white women>>193048>I'd also like to add the white European girl who thinks shitty third world culture is ~exotic~.
anyone know the name of a white female blogger who was obsessed with japan and relatively happy with life?
It started off great for her but the novelty wore off, she ended up pregnant by a Japanese man
In her new videos with her son she looks depressed, exhausted and overall miserable af, apparently he is abusive to her
I'm trying to remember her name, last i saw of her was a few years ago
Looking back i felt bad, but now i'm aware of the role self hatred can play in IR relationships i find it lulzy, her life there played out just like the points ITT
You might wanna go back and delete all those posts…
Anyway, is it HannaInJapanna or something like that? I remember watching some vlogger mum in Japan talking about her life there, but that was way back before she was divorced.
Not the person you're replying to but I remember HannaInJapan, her story was depressing as fuck. Plus she's basically done now, I used to follow her facebook and she's been single for ages and complains about no white dudes being interested in her because she's a divorcee with a mixed kid.
Be careful with your anime-based racial fetishes peeps. Sometimes they can lead to places that you have no way of extricating yourself from for, well, in essence the rest of your life.
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>>193048>I'd also like to add the white European girl who thinks shitty third world culture is ~exotic~. I've plenty of friends who have moved to Africa, India and the Middle East with guys who they fawned over here while they were studying here. They'd suddenly become ~super interested~ in their culture and ask them to bring back things like saris, dashikis and jewellery when they visited home. They also shit on their own culture a lot claiming that their country "has no culture". Once they move and marry, you never hear from them again. Or in the rare case that you do, it's just to remind others that where they're living "isn't as bad as it seems" constantly.
It always annoys me how people believe white people are incapable of self-hatred.
There are tons of self-hating white girls. In fact I'd wager a good number of cows in places like Japan and Korea are motivated by a subconscious or explicit self-hatred (the "we have no culture" thing is common).
It just annoys me how such people are always viewed as "white supremacists", even when they're a product of self-loathing white liberal thinking.
Was popular on /v/ for a few years, went to japan for a couple of weeks, got knocked up and married the guy in a shotgun wedding. resurfaced a few months later looking depressed and downtrodden, then a few years later talking about her kid, then a year later after that. Nobody really knows what happened to her.
I don't think people anticipate the level of cultural differences between people if they've been raised with a more liberal attitude that "everyone is fundamentally the same", that's one of the big problems with interracial marriages or relationships. To use Asians and Whites as an example, you could pick the example of how sexless marriages are a lot more common and a lot more acceptable in Asia. /r/deadbedrooms used to have a specific thread for western men and women married to Japanese/Chinese/Korean men and women for this reason.
Also, big red flag to watch out for are people who shit-talk the men or women of their own race. Those people are almost always absolute garbage.
I was thinking caffinejedi but she didn't get pregnant. She was jobless and dependent on her abusive bf that followed her after she ran off with another guy and eventually ran back to USA. Still bitter and needy to this day.
Like, girls, if you're gonna follow a guy back to his country, make sure you speak the language and have a job lined up FIRST. Because if you don't and shit goes down you're fucked.
Also, don't get pregnant.
Yeah I just noticed that. Is she still married?>>193078
I'm usually pretty empathetic but there's this huge mental block when it comes to understanding the motivations of girls like her and hanna. It's not even a matter of disliking them, I just simply can't understand what motivates people with no marketable skills to rush off to a completely alien country with the hopes of marrying a guy there and settling down.
Is it self hatred? Are they just crazy? Is the racial fetish that anime and asian pop culture implants in people really this strongly suggestive that they abandon their previous life? Help me to understand.
>>193063>Tbh i've notice most Asian men (incl. westernized) have disgusting views on white women
It's more of an entitlement thing. I've noticed Asian men feel entitled to women and feel uncomfortable with a culture that demands you be physically appealing to the opposite sex.
I mean let's be honest, if you remove yourself from the echo-chamber that are places like 4chan, lolcow, other imageboards, K-Pop fansites etc. How many White women really find Asian men physically desirable on any level? Or at least, more physically desirable than their own men?
>>193107>Or maybe they're traditionally minded, ya know, husband works, wife stays at home and cares for the kids while depending on her husband.
You can find this back home provided you mix in traditional circles (church groups etc).
>extreme as self-hatred
Suppose some Korean girl upped and moved to LA, and she cited Hollywood movies as one of the reasons she did that, suppose she didn't have much of a job or life there, but she got openly talked about wanting to have an American husband and hafu babies and that she didn't like Korean men and was never attracted to them. Suppose she ended up prostituting herself in order to stay in the country illegally - despite not really having much of a life, while simultaneously talking about how her own country "has no culture" and other similar things in that same vein.
Do you really think this wouldn't smack of at least some level of, at least sub-conscious, self-hatred? Because all of what I listed can be applied to a couple of cows and even a snowflake or two, barring the prostitution for the latter.
Sometimes I feel like a lot of farmers relate to the cows posted here all too easily, and you're unable or perhaps unwilling to see just how dysfunctional their lives and mental health are as a result. And yes, self-hatred and wanting to belong to another group is a part of it.
>>193107>having a racial fetish
And I truthfully don't know how you can say this about the weeaboo chicks we've briefly mentioned here (e.g. Samtron5000) with a straight face.
Among non-Asian women who are attracted to Asian men, there is an almost 1:1 overlap with anime and k-pop fans. As someone has already mentioned, Asian men (and maybe even Asian women) just aren't really considered attractive by many White girls outside of weeaboo circles. Or at least as attractive as their fellow white people.
Your average white chick imo would prefer a pale-skinned Hispanic or Italian guy over a Japanese or Korean 99 times out of a 100.
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>Are you implying that amwf relationships didn't exist until kpop and anime because popular in the US?
Where did I say that?
I said that Asian men generally aren't popular with non-Asian women outside of particular subcultures.
>For every few weesb with yellow fever there is atleast one couple that is just normal people getting in relationships with people just happen to be white and asian.
That's possible, but I doubt it simply because I've never seen any marked preference for East Asian men above White and Hispanic men among non-Asian women.
Ask yourself a simple question, among white female normies, how many would say they consider Korean or Japanese men more attractive than say, Italian men? (Pic related). Answer it truthfully and honestly.
Also, exclude yourself - because both of us aren't normal simply by virtue of the fact we're on a /cgl/ gossip spin-off site where cosplay and "j-fashion" are key topics. The fact AMWF relationships are probably more common among our userbase here than people in our age cohort in general should tell you something about what we're discussing.
There are some pretty good looking Japanese guys, I'll give you that. That being said the good looking ones from my perspective are dudes like Abe Hiroshi who fit a look more appealing to westerners (in fact even Japanese think that way, which is why he was cast as the lead in Thermae Romae).
You actually do my job for me in bringing up Korean men though, since I don't think your average up-to-his-eyeballs-in-plastic-surgery Korean model would do much for the average girl anywhere outside of East Asia. Actually, the whole Korean male aesthetic that's popular in their media doesn't mesh well with western beauty standards for men at all.
And I think I'm being fair here anon. I'm just saying that most white girls in western countries would probably prefer the average white or hispanic guy above the average korean or japanese guy.
Why is it so hard to believe that people of your race and gender perhaps don't share your racial fetish and it's somewhat niche outside of places like this? I don't think my claims are really that outrageous no? They basically boil down to men and women generally (but not always) preferred men and women of their own race.
Can you explain to me why you find this so offensive because I'm actually quite curious. >>193132
We can only trade anecdotes here (and hence we're going to be chasing each other around in circles), but I've yet to meet any white girl who likes asian men who doesn't have at least some residual interest in anime, asian popular culture (particularly k-pop) etc.
Ask yourself why it's so much more common for women in the chanosphere to like asian men than for women outside of it.
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True, but then again I could pick any number of guys from the various European football teams (particularly Germany) who are seriously attractive, but the Korean and Japanese national teams do absolutely nothing for me. Especially not with that washed out dirty blond dye so many like, what exactly do they mean by that anyway?
>>193136>There's only one decent looking guy in there
They're all unattractive to me, and I asked a couple of friends in the interim just to check I didn't have some sort of tunnel vision standards going on, two my friends who aren't into weeaboo stuff or kpop agreed.
>show that Asian men (including Indians) get the least amount of responses on dating websites?
Not just that, but in-person dating surveys show the same thing.
There was one conducted at Columbia university among postgraduate students that actually found a way of controlling - as best as possible - for physical attractiveness.
Interestingly when you weren't controlling for that factor asian men did poorly, but a little bit better than they otherwise did, but when you looked at how each cohort evaluated the pure physical attractiveness of their prospective dating partner, asian men came dead last.
>>193139>Interestingly when you weren't controlling for that factor asian men did poorly, but a little bit better than they otherwise did, but when you looked at how each cohort evaluated the pure physical attractiveness of their prospective dating partner, asian men came dead last.
My own theory, based on my experiences and admitted biases is that the attraction towards asian men, if not motivated by blatant gold-digging or simple "my-cartoons-come-from-that-part-of-the-world", is that they're just kind of nice, not hideous and fundamentally non-threatening.
I feel like they're sort of similar to the backstreet boys when I was growing up (if anyone remembers them). The whole idea behind the backstreet boys was that they were these boy band members who put on airs of being a little bit rough around the edges but deep down were completely soft and unthreatening, and I feel like that's why a lot of weeaboo girls like asian dudes.
It's an arrested stage of adolescent development where you never understand what men really are like and so cling onto that notion that asian pop media projects about its male idols. The problem is that it is just completely fake, men, particularly korean and asian men more widely, are not these soft types with no interest in sex who live only to look like pretty bishies with no interest in sex.
Unfortunately for koreaboos, a lot of predatory korean types looking to "ride the white horse" play up to this whole princely image.
No one (well not many of us anyway) are being "racist" nigga. Or have we reached the point where asserting something as basic as "most people prefer people from within their race, on balance" is a huge faux pas now?
Fucking PULLfags I swear.
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Die mannschaft is the whole reason I got into soccer back in 2010. Even the "ethnic" guys on that team are attractive, excluding Özil..
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Poor Ozil. I feel like he'd actually be cute were it not for the fetal alcohol syndrome face.
Arsenal's Giroud is probably the cutest for me, not excusing his inconsistent form though.
I was thinking the guy on the far left squatting down had potential because I like his facial structure but the rest are pretty hit.>>193142
>I feel like they're sort of similar to the backstreet boys when I was growing up (if anyone remembers them). The whole idea behind the backstreet boys was that they were these boy band members who put on airs of being a little bit rough around the edges but deep down were completely soft and unthreatening, and I feel like that's why a lot of weeaboo girls like asian dudes.
Ironically, all the east asian dudes I've ever talked to are either assholes or shy weirdos.
On that note am I the only person that thought those two Eat Your Kimchi nerds who made that video about how Japan was more pleasant than Korea dindu nuffin?
I mean they didn't even berate Korea, they just said Japan was quieter, people were a bit nicer and the general environment of the place was a bit more pleasant. What's wrong with all that? It's all true.
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If this were true, the plastics over there would be getting jaw implants instead of carving their faces down to look as non white as possible
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There is a difference between having a strong jawbone and having a face that looks like a big rectangle. The ideal western jaw is like a trapezoid.
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So the opposite of the korean ideal? How are korean plastic surgery fags trying to look more white then? Take this kid for example. Had a relatively masculine and attractive jawline, ownly to turn into dorito chin core. I fail to see how going against what makes western women/men attractive = copying white ppl!!11!
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>>193165> Had a relatively masculine and attractive jawline
lol no he didn't.
The man in both of your picture is average at the very best (and I'm being generous) and ugly at worst. His jaw is not like an attractive western/white jaw at all.
Also, he looks like a trap in the second picture. I'm not joking. >>193168
Please stop posting your twinks.
Not an argument but okay. >>193170
Idk just wanted to understand >>193161's point of view. Still makes 0 sense to me
>>193171>Not an argument
Don't steal stefbot's words.
My argument is simple, that jaw wouldn't be considered attractive.
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You can't craft a western-style jaw if you have a Korean face. You can just shave off the bone to the point it is less pronounced, but you can't fundamentally change the shape of your skull.
What's important are areas of the fact where you can change the fundamentals, e.g. rhinoplasty, and Koreans get rhinoplasty to change their flat asian noses into more aquiline western noses all the time.
Jaw implants are a thing anon. In fact that guy would look so much better if he had just gotten a jaw implant instead, looks like a oversised baby after the surgery lmao.
I get your point with the noses though but if you were to ask me which one of those before/afters looks more "white passing" i'd still say the one on the left because jaw.
Anyways, sorry for derailing the thread I just wanted to know what anon meant
Bruh he looked way better before
ot, I think people here are thinking way too back and white. Asian/white relationships aren't just gross old white men buing poor asian women, or self hating weeb women going for the first asian man they see. Adoption or second gen immigrants are a thing. None of the asian people I know are asian supremacist, they are just like everyone else here, except yellow kek. My mom is asian, and my parents have a normal relationship, just like every other asian/white couple I know.
And I live in a very homogenous country.
>>193185>>193185>Adoption or second gen immigrants are a thing.
That doesn't really change anything, so you remove the ability for their culture to be fetishized, you still have the racial aspect.
people unhappy with their appearance(self-hate) don't want to see their features replicated in their partners
>None of the asian people I know are asian supremacist, they are just like everyone else here, except yellow kek.
this was posted further up the thread, although it applies to a lot minority types living in the west, i've never seen it to such an extent as with Asians.
>But there's a sizeable minority who never really fit in (largely because of their own behavior or their parents' racism/insularity) and basically end up blaming whites for their failures. This is particularly true with the bitter asian man archetype that has become all too common in recent years. These people want to be accepted by White Americans while simultaneously chatting shit about how they hope China takes over the US and so on, cheering on foreign powers when they steal US technology and secrets and so on.
I've got to agree with your observation. I prefer Asian (read: Chinese) and black (read: African) men, and the way some interracial seekers act is like…Yikes lol. I can take the AMWF stereotypes because I am a closeted weeb, but the BMWF stereotypes are what really make me cringeee. I swear when I say I like black guys, people imagine I'm a closeted whore wanting to ride uneducated ghetto dick. Ugh.
Luckily I've found that if you are relatively normal, then it's not so difficult to find relatively normal men of said races lol
>>As for Persephone Narra, do you think she could qualify as a cow?
We needs some more fresh milk around this place.
Like hell they are. I was in along term relationship with an Asian guy (Chinese) and I'm a black female. Once we were actually considering marriage, I had to cut it off. His ideals for marriage, finances, raising a family, etc were so far off from mine, there was no way we could come to a compromise. I really wanted our relationship to work, but he became too selfish. He used to like that I was independent but apparently if we were to get married, I was supposed to become some submissive housewife to only cook, clean, and have sex with him. His parents hated me because I was black too, that didn't help.
I've dated a lot of different races and none of them are superior to another. To be honest, Asian men sought after me alot (my friend said it's because I look racially ambiguous but who fucking knows) so I've dated multiple, but I avoid them like the plague now. Too many women have yellow fever and idolize them and it fucking creeps me out. I don't want to be associated with that. And my ex left me with a bitter taste in my mouth so.
>>193376>Asian men are superior
I know you're trolling but it's not really a question of superiority or inferiority, but compatibility.
Here's one example: I, given the culture I come from, can't stand the passive aggressive attitude a lot of asian men have - It's a different sort of passive aggressiveness than what I'm used to, it feels more like dealing with a human pressure-cooker. A guy from my own race is more likely to just openly bitch and storm off in a huff, and honestly I'd prefer that to the four-hour-long-bitchface-and-silent-treatment I've gotten with asian men.
Then there are the little things you never really think of when you first enter the relationship, for example: I can't read their body language as well as I can men of my own race. And then there are the family issues - I find that white people in general (and this applies to white men as well) are expected to acquiesce to their non-white in laws when it comes to questions of wedding ceremonies, how to raise the children etc.
I get there are exceptions to this and I don't want to throw any farmer in an interracial relationship under the bus, but that's just my feeling. It's primarily a case of compatibility when it comes to racial pairings and relationships. Not "superiority" or "inferiority". And most of us are just more likely to be "compatible" with someone from our own race.
Finally, I outgrew the whole "Asians are awesome and I want to be one" attitude when I was in my late teens. And it's sad to see so many cows and snowflakes still trapped in it.
>>193392>Too many women have yellow fever and idolize them
Outside of lolcow and 4chan and what have you, this isn't true at all.
Part of the problem here is that the sort of woman who actively seeks out asian men is usually pretty abnormal (I used to be one) and that among a random sample of the non hyper-weeaboo population most wouldn't contemplate a relationship with an asian guy unless he had some incredibly compelling other quality, like a large income.
And that's exactly what makes these guys bitter in the first place. I'm sure other anons have stories of being some asian guy's punching bag for a society that is supposedly set up against him.>>193375
/r/hapas don't like her because she criticized asian families for being racist and /r/hapas is basically an offshoot of /r/asianmasculinity, if the screencaps I've seen are to be believed, which is basically just thinly veiled overseas chinese nationalism with a side order of bitterness.
Now, don't get me wrong, Persephone is batshit and a case study in everything wrong with AMWF relationships, but she's not wrong on that count and it's frankly ridiculous you have these idiotic wapanese and koreaboos from PULL hating on her for saying that (there are far more tangible things to dislike her for) her in-laws were extremely racist. If the situation were reversed and it were white in-laws demanding their daughter didn't date an Asian man, then you can bet they wouldn't be so quick to rally to their defense.
PULL are the exact the same people who chase after asian men in the first place, so of course they'll defend Koreans and Chinese no matter what they do. These are the same people who conjure up "it's ok when asians do it!" defenses for blackface and so on.
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>>193348>There's alot of online communities for AMXF dating
And they're all set up by the same asian guys who rage online about 'their' women dating non-asian men, woe is me etc.
Speaking from experience, you shouldn't be playing into their narrative of the oppressed asian man. You're just helping to perpetuate a fantasy world they live in where they never have to face up to the reality of why they're undesirable to any woman who isn't as mentally ill as Persephone, namely that they're simply not very physically or emotionally attractive.
Picture somewhat related. This guy is notorious among such communities, he runs a somewhat popular blog with asian men that, you guessed it, is just a whinefest compilation about asian women dating out.
…seriously? Does that "explanation" sound realistic to you? When you look around, is this really the world you live in?
Because it ain't my world. And I'm pretty sure we see the same moon whenever we lift our heads up at night.
>>193353> I'm a closeted whore wanting to ride uneducated ghetto dick
The insecurity men have about black guys is insane. I don't live in America, there are mostly pure africans here and I find them pretty attractive (the girls too, they're all tall and thin with nice teeth) and don't really recognize american stereotypes in them. I'm not some crazy BBC chasing whore for that, they're just mid-high tier good looking for me.
But I'd never date one because my dad would hate me for it (which is beyond fucked up, he's great but the way a father's love can be conditional upon on his daughter's romantic life horrifies me), and if I ever had a non black boyfriend after that he'd probably lose his shit and dump me over it. I remember being 16 and my boyfriend telling me he'd break up with me if I had dated a black guy before, never mind that I'd never even met one at that age. It was crazy that he was insecure enough to bring it up with zero reason to.
>>193412>The truth is they wouldn't give a damn about Asian women if white women were an option for them.
Bingo anon. You got it in one.
Asian men already believe that white people are more attractive than Asian people, or at least Asian American ones do. What they hate is that Asian American women feel the same way about White men (i.e. that they're more attractive) as they do about White women.
>>193410>look down on girls who are black, Indians etc.
I hate how asians act this way towards non-white people and then turn around and attempt to save face by implying that white people made them racist towards darker-skinned people too. As if China doesn't have a millenia-old history of hating anyone non-Han to the point of considering them barely better than animals without any input from westerners.
Asians are duplicitous as fuck when it comes to their own racism. They'll always palm it off and imply its white people who are ultimately responsible for it. That's bullshit.
African girls are in general very nice and wear super interesting clothes. African guys are also chill unless they're Somali or some other Muslims. Caribbeans are great craic, I fucking love them.
"African Americans" and their perpetually offended yet hilariously ignorant arses need not apply.
How familiar are you with anyone from any African country though? And don't post /pol/ memes or Somali "rapefugee" stats from Sweden, either.
Painting all non-western countries with a xenophobic brush isn't very logical.
Coincidentally, I'm Nigerian. What was she like, and how would you attribute that to her culture? I mean, there are lots of sexist or otherwise shitty people, but I wouldn't say it's flagrantly worse than in western countries (depending on what area the person you're interacting with is from, poorer areas tend to be worse the same way white trash from the deep south are racist/sexist as fuck).
Also, I'm not sure why you'd complain about African men but use African women as an example.
I guess so yeah, thanks. If we get that far I'm sure it'll work out.>>191726
If you want big, islanders are definitely your type yes. And my bf's type of girl is quiet/serious, if I'm right his brothers like that type of girl too. So there's hope for you, anon.
Hi there. I'm >>193413
I know you didn't ask me, but I lived in Gabon (western-equatorial Africa) in my teens.
I am a Slav, and I've never been with "a man from a western country" as I was "debated" against in the replies >>193425
I can vouch that none of the people who travelled the globe think like that. When you're living in a basement, all you know about is rats.>>193430
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>>193436>I-I-I'll pretend this person said things they didn't actually say and put it in stutter text for emphasis on how much I disagree! There, I won!
When exactly did I call African-Americans "shit"? Do you think I'm someone else, or are you just autistic? Jesus Christ. >every Almost every African country is a 3rd world shit hole that makes even the most ghetto African American black hood look like heaven.
>>193442>I could show you nice pictures of North Korea too, doesn't mean the majority of the country isn't a shit hole.
This is a piss-poor argument because it can easily be flipped. Nigeria is a large country (and Africa is a very large continent) with good and bad parts. If I posted a picture of the shittiest parts of Asia or Europe or North America, that wouldn't suddenly mean everyone in those respective areas is either starving trailer trash lmao.
I'm going to ask again: When did I ever disparage African-American people or claim to be "better" than them?
It's funny that you called me "delusional" (assuming you're the same anon and not someone else who just jumped in for whatever reason), but you can't differentiate your own weird thoughts from reality.>The average Nigerian lives on less than 1.25 a day
I Googled this and found nothing to back up its validity, though I did find a few articles disagreeing with it and calling the data used to gauge data like this "too simplistic" or otherwise invalid for a bunch of reasons. Really makes you think.
Anyway, it's obvious you just have some sort of hateboner for Africans and that it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so I guess I'm done.
My point is even 3rd world countries have nice places but that doesn't mean thats what the majority of the country is like.>>193444
>This is a piss-poor argument because it can easily be flipped. Nigeria is a large country (and Africa is a very large continent) with good and bad parts. If I posted a picture of the shittiest parts of Asia or Europe or North America, that wouldn't suddenly mean everyone in those respective areas is either starving trailer trash lmao.
Show me an example of one African country that is first world then.>I'm going to ask again: When did I ever disparage African-American people or claim to be "better" than them?
I was talking to the person who said they liked Africans but not African Americans. If that wasn't you then those statements don't apply to you.>I Googled this and found nothing to back up its validity,http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-17015873
Look no more
Your "point" has no edge. "Nice places" are never in the majority.
YOU show ME why I should accept your personal daddy/stepmom issues as a valid worldview.
That was because you immediately swooped in to reply to me saying "There are shitty and sexist people in some parts of this country, but the same is true of other parts in the world so I don't think it's fair to assume" with "How dare you call african-americans shit (even though you actually didn't and I just don't know how imageboard posts work or who I'm replying to)! all african countries are shitholes worse than the worst ghettos anyway!".
Maybe I shouldn't have taken the bait to begin with and entertained your now-transparent bid to move the goalposts, but it can't be helped. Still, if you can hobble together a halfway decent argument related to the actual topic, you might look like less of an ass here.
>>193382>>Im assuming you don't know how these men really are because you've never had a serious relationship with them.
I have, multiple times.
>>Have you ever lived with these men?
Yep. Even lived with one of my Asian exe's family.
>>have you ever been with any of these men long enough where marriage was discussed?
Marriage was discussed in all my relationships to Asian men.
>>im gonna assume the answer to these questions are no. You're the anon who posted in this thread before and tbh you sound delusional.
Okay. Stay mad.
How do you reply to someone but "not direct your post at them"? You replied to my post, not the other person's. You're the one who fucked up here. Sorry, anon.
I didn't scream "racist" or "trolling", either. Other people ITT have been discrediting your "points". You should probably lurk chan boards before attempting to post next time.
Sage because I really am just taking the bait now
>>193363>>Don't know if you already posted but I'm curious to know what it is about chinese and african men that make you prefer them over others?
Actually this anon >>193369
is correct in many ways. I feel like being a white female gives me a huge advantage with Chinese and Africans. I like being spoiled, and see nothing wrong with it either. With that said, I also happen to be more physically attracted to asian and black men anyway, and appreciate that the men from these cultures are generally marriage-oriented and highly-educated (upper-class background). My exes have been romantic, cooked, cleaned, took me out all the time, paid me plenty of compliments. I mean, if I'm going to stay with one person for the rest of my life, why would I want anything less? I've been asked out by some wonderful white, latino, etc. men, but my tastes are what they are, and most of my friends in relationships with these men aren't treated nearly as well as I've been treated in my relationships.
Unlike some anons here, I've had excellent interracial relationships. They've generally ended because I moved and my life has been a bit unsteady. If you are being used as a pump-and-dump by men outside your race, the problem probably lies with you tbh.
Explain why is it domestic violence isuch a huge problem in Africa right now when compared to North America?stop trying to use personal attacks as an argument against what I'm saying, that's stupid kek. Come back when you have an actual argument.
>inb4 in the west there is abuse against women too!
But it's not as bad when compared to what goes on in many African countries.
When did anyone attack you personally? You brought up your stepsister as an argument.
I was going to ask for statistics on your claims at first, but then I realized that it doesn't actually matter because the African (and Chinese) men >>193471
dates are most definitely part of the group that don't fit within the fringes of the shitty, abusive people you're insisting are the majority.
I never said anything about a step sister(I don't even have any step sisters kek). You're trying to use the comment I made about my step mother as an argument against what I'm saying, you're trying to say I'm only saying this because of that. Even if I was only saying these things because I hate my step mother that doesn't mean what I'm saying isn't true because it is.
South Africa has one of the highest rates of domestic violence in the world.
See >>193474>stepsister stepmother
>>193479>>Do you ever worry that these men are playing bait and switch with you?
No, I don't, although I totally hear what you are saying. I've lived with these people's families, interacted with their friends. It's obvious they are of good character and treat the women in their lives with respect (EXCEPT for one bad relationship I had, but I don't in anyway blame culture/race for the issues we had). With that said, I actually prefer a more traditional culture. Really, the only way I stray from a traditional view is in having kids. I don't want any, although I wouldn't mind caring for children from a previous marriage or adopting/volunteering with orphaned children. If I can permanently move to an Asian country, I might change my mind though, as the only reason I'm against having children is all the crime/drugs/violence/teen pregnancies etc. in Western/Latin society.
As far as interracial, intercultural relationships, I personally think that they are pretty identical to relationships within one's own culture and race. There are mean, abusive, lazy evil men and good, hardworking, faithful men. I've noticed that sometimes people get so gungho about a person's physical appearance (i.e. some weebs with Japanese guys) that they let it override character.
In my opinion people really aren't that
different in this regard. I personally prefer Asian and African men physically and culturally, but of course there are all types personality-wise. I mean, just look at lolcow. There are anons of all races and backgrounds, but unless someone states their background, it's impossible to tell whether you are agreeing/disagreeing with someone who looks like you or lives in the same country. I personally like nice, educated, stable guys. I'm sure if I liked bad boys, my experiences would be terrible no matter the race or culture or the people I date lol
Sorry to trail on about myself. This just happens to be a topic I'm highly interested in.
It's pretty nice, but some parts of it are dangerous.
t. someone who has actually lived there, not a friend of a friend of your sister whose neighbor worked there
They're a very good friend of mine, a petroleum engineer actually.
>It's pretty nice
What would you say is the ratio of nice parts to bad parts then? Every city has extremely wealthy areas that are cut off from the outside, even shitholes like Joberg.
It's really fucking populous and loaded with all types, so it's best to stay within the wealthy areas obviously.>What would you say is the ratio of nice parts to bad parts then?
Not exactly sure, probably 1:1. A lot of African cities are just contradictions. Shitty roads, expensive cars. Fancy hotels on one side of the road, shady ones on another. That sort of thing.
You're a lot more likely to get stabbed there if you went out at night than if you went to, say, a city in Japan, but I'd wager some cities in Brazil or Mexico are much worse.
>>193537>It's really fucking populous
Yes anon, that tends to be how urbanization works, wherever you are.
> so it's best to stay within the wealthy areas obviously.>Not exactly sure, probably 1:1.
If you're not sure, what's the proof that it's half bad, half good?
Are you suggesting that 50% of the city is wealthy and 50% isn't? Seems like a stretch.
> Shitty roads, expensive cars. Fancy hotels on one side of the road, shady ones on another. That sort of thing.
That's not a "contradiction" it just means that there are a few individuals with the wealth to buy expensive consumer items, and that the resource-rich nature of the country necessitates high-end hotel chains (again, built by foreigners), but that domestic human capital is too poor quality to actually maintain even the basic infrastructure (roads for example).
>You're a lot more likely to get stabbed there if you went out at night than if you went to, say, a city in Japan
I'd say you are orders of magnitude more likely to get stabbed in Lagos than in Japan, it's almost like comparing different worlds, rather than a discrepancy in degree.
>but I'd wager some cities in Brazil or Mexico are much worse.
Possibly, but Northern Brazil (the more African area) is demonstrably worse than Southern Brazil (the more European part). Actually, Florianopolis is an extremely nice city and I'd be surprised if there's a single city in Africa as safe, with as good infrastructure and with as good amenities.
More telling about Nigeria is that it is incapable of exploiting its own resources. It needs western and east asian engineers to do that.
Without them, it would just be even more of a shithole than it currently is.
>>193538>Yes anon, that tends to be how urbanization works, wherever you are.
Cool, so you understand the most basic tenets of things. Glad we're on the same page.>If you're not sure, what's the proof that it's half bad, half good?
Anecdotal evidence, I guess. If you have more concrete proof that says otherwise, feel free to post it.>Are you suggesting that 50% of the city is wealthy and 50% isn't? Seems like a stretch.
I mean, you acted like you knew how urbanization worked in the very first line of your post.>That's not a "contradiction" it just means that there are a few individuals with the wealth to buy expensive consumer items, and that the resource-rich nature of the country necessitates high-end hotel chains (again, built by foreigners), but that domestic human capital is too poor quality to actually maintain even the basic infrastructure (roads for example).
Yes, and…? >I'd say you are orders of magnitude more likely to get stabbed in Lagos than in Japan, it's almost like comparing different worlds, rather than a discrepancy in degree.
What exactly is the point in repeating exactly what I say but in a slightly more condescending tone? Why are you so desperate to have a "witty" response? Because I pointed out that secondhand "My friend said…!" information is kind of shaky? Kind of infantile, and embarrassing to watch.>Possibly, but Northern Brazil (the more African area) is demonstrably worse than Southern Brazil (the more European part). Actually, Florianopolis is an extremely nice city and I'd be surprised if there's a single city in Africa as safe, with as good infrastructure and with as good amenities.
What's your point here exactly? I didn't say all of Brazil was worse, by any stretch of the imagination. It seems like you're trying to imply something else with this chunk of your post, but you should really just flat-out say it.
More like the elite don't care about creating nice cities when they can just horde the money for themselves.>western and east asian engineers
The East Asian part is true (mostly because China in particular is striking up several deals), but I haven't heard a single thing about western engineers having anything to do with Nigeria's current infratructure.
>>193552>Anecdotal evidence, I guess.
Glad you admit that is all we're trading here.
>I mean, you acted like you knew how urbanization worked in the very first line of your post.
That has nothing to do with urbanization. You said that it is best to stick to the "wealthy areas" of the city, then when I asked you what proportion of the urban zone was nice compared to what was a shithole, you said it was an even split. Do you not see how the implicit suggestion here is that 50% of the city is wealthy?
Lagos isn't a nice city, which is what I've been getting at from the beginning. I don't care if you date black guys or chinese or want to virtue signal about it. I'm not the other anon, my only point of contention with you was in claiming that Lagos wasn't a shithole when it clearly is.
>What exactly is the point in repeating exactly what I say but in a slightly more condescending tone? Why are you so desperate to have a "witty" response? Because I pointed out that secondhand "My friend said…!" information is kind of shaky? Kind of infantile, and embarrassing to watch.
Not an argument.
>What's your point here exactly?
You said it was nicer than many parts of South America. Sure, you could say that about any city compared to any continent-sized zone. It's meaningless. Again, not an argument.>>193554
It's not always that easy. Something Muslim abusers do is the typical abusive thing of cutting a spouse off from their family, but amplifying it by talking about how they're kufr and not worth keeping in contact with.
Most people are emotionally weak and not capable of standing up to abusers of any kind, not least when the abuse is overlaid with a religious dimension. >>193553>The East Asian part is true (mostly because China in particular is striking up several deals), but I haven't heard a single thing about western engineers having anything to do with Nigeria's current infratructure.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, Nigeria's oil industry is predominantly Shell-BP run, not Sinopec.
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I want to go to Lagos and have cute mixed race children with a handsome black man who will spoil me T-T
>>193562>Glad you admit that is all we're trading here.
Like I said: If you have more concrete proof that says otherwise, feel free to post it. Until then, you're really just getting pissed because someone contradicted your secondhand information with first-hand information. >That has nothing to do with urbanization. You said that it is best to stick to the "wealthy areas" of the city, then when I asked you what proportion of the urban zone was nice compared to what was a shithole, you said it was an even split. Do you not see how the implicit suggestion here is that 50% of the city is wealthy?
If it's truly such a stretch, see above and come up with some evidence. >Lagos isn't a nice city, which is what I've been getting at from the beginning.
And you know this because your friend went there, and their experience trumps that of someone who's actually lived there. >I don't care if you date black guys or chinese or want to virtue signal about it.
"Virtue signal"? Nice buzzword. I'm not the anon who talked about dating black or Chinese guys, by the way.>I'm not the other anon, my only point of contention with you was in claiming that Lagos wasn't a shithole when it clearly is.
And you know this not because you have any actual experience on the subject, but from hearsay. Hmm.>Not an argument.
I didn't say it was, I just pointed out something juvenile you were doing and asked what your end game was. Since you can't come up with a real response, I guess my initial thoughts that you just felt the need to be condescending because someone's anecdotal evidence proved a more direct source than yourself is right. >You said it was nicer than many parts of South America.
I said "some", not "many". You do realize anyone can just scroll up and look at exactly what is being said? >Sure, you could say that about any city compared to any continent-sized zone. It's meaningless. Again, not an argument.
How is it "not an argument"? There are more dangerous places than Lagos. It's literally that simple. If it's "not an argument", then you're free to not attempt to contest it. Like I pointed out before, a lot of the things you've said up til this point aren't arguments as much as they are you just parroting my own words back at me in a hyperbolic way, but I guess it's a special case for you. >>193563>cherrypicked image>shitpost
Why do you feel so personally attacked?
>>193568>Like I said: If you have more concrete proof that says otherwise
No, I trust my friend and the other anecdotal experiences from those who have been there on this one. Lagos is a shithole.
>If it's truly such a stretch, see above and come up with some evidence.
Some evidence for what? That 50% of the city isn't wealthy? https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/Lagos/Population-living-on-1-dollar-per-day
62% of the population living on a dollar a day seems to be a fairly good piece of evidence no?
>And you know this because your friend went there, and their experience trumps that of someone who's actually lived there.
My friend also lived there. And not as a kid in a diplomatic mission with her parents, but as a professional who had a job to do.
>How is it "not an argument"?
Because you're picking a city, comparing it to a continent and saying "I bet there are a few more dangerous places to this city on this entire continent
>>193570>No, I trust my friend and the other anecdotal experiences from those who have been there on this one. Lagos is a shithole.
I disagree as someone who's actually lived there. If you don't, I guess that's your prerogative, but it's kind of retarded to post said anecdotal evidence as an objective standpoint when it's not even first-hand.>https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/Lagos/Population-living-on-1-dollar-per-day
This is pretty vague, I'd like to know exactly how this information was cobbled together. A simple meal in Lagos is generally the equivalent of $30, talk less of public transportation and other factors. You certainly can't "live" on a dollar a day there. >My friend also lived there. And not as a kid in a diplomatic mission with her parents, but as a professional who had a job to do.
Not an argument. But, again, you seem to be implying something here, but it's better to outright say it instead of being passive-aggressive. >Because you're picking a city, comparing it to a continent and saying "I bet there are a few more dangerous places to this city on this entire continent"
…Mexico and Brazil aren't continents. Are you daft?
>>193574>I disagree as someone who's actually lived there.
Ok, but we're still just trading anecdotal experiences here.
>This is pretty vague
Nigga, you made the initial implicit assertion that 50% of the city was wealthy. And then you ask me to provide some evidence to the contrary (in essence asking me to prove a negative). I oblige and now you take issue with that evidence?
What have you posted to substantiate your own, initial assertion? Nothing.
>Not an argument.
No shit, it wasn't meant to be one. You're the one who seems to think one brand of anecdotal experience counts as bona fide proof while the other doesn't.
People these days are together for at least a couple years before marriage, by then surely red flags would pop up.>>193562> Most people are emotionally weak and not capable of standing up to abusers of any kind, not least when the abuse is overlaid with a religious dimension.
Most is a bit of an overstatement. Honestly if you fall for that kind of bullshit you are just stupid and have no self esteem. People like that shouldn't risk getting into serious relationships at all then since every man / woman has the potential to be abusive, not just teh muslims.
>>193578>Ok, but we're still just trading anecdotal experiences here.
Half-truths are still slightly more reliable than quarter-truths.>Nigga, you made the initial implicit assertion that 50% of the city was wealthy.
Based on my own experiences, yes. >And then you ask me to provide some evidence to the contrary (in essence asking me to prove a negative).
You're the one who said that it "seemed a stretch", so I asked you to explain why and post some evidence. You weren't obliged to, but I was interested in knowing your reasoning behind trying to cast doubt on something you have no real knowledge on.>I oblige and now you take issue with that evidence?
It's not my fault if you can only provide vague, shaky evidence. If you're incapable of offering anything better or more in-depth, then you probably shouldn't have tried to push this to begin with by challenging my claim.>What have you posted to substantiate your own, initial assertion? Nothing.
Coupled with the fact that the most basic parts of survival within Lagos and most cities costs way more than a dollar (which is really just common sense, something you have trouble coping with), the fact that Nigeria's faced an economic boom as of 2014 or so, and is predicted to face another in the coming year might suffice.http://www.financialwatchngr.com/2016/04/18/economic-boom-for-nigeria-in-2018-emefiele-predicts/
Since I'm not an economic advisor, I'm just basing this off news articles more than anything.>No shit, it wasn't meant to be one.
Not an argument.>You're the one who seems to think one brand of anecdotal experience counts as bona fide proof while the other doesn't.
I didn't say that, either. Reread the very beginning of this post. This combined with the fact that you either seriously thought Mexico and Brazil are continents, or literally forgot what I posted(but were too lazy to double-check what you were replying to, substituted both countries with a general "South America" claim and then tried to argue with me based on your own poor reading/memory really makes you seem less and less coherent.
>>193582>Half-truths are still slightly more reliable than quarter-truths.
There is no way of quantifying the veracity of either of our accounts, given the nature of this being online and all. So no, it's not a matter of quarter or half truths. There are no differences in degree here, only in kind.
>Based on my own experiences, yes.
Do you have any evidence for this?
>if you can only provide vague, shaky evidence
Whatever you think of it, it is the only piece of substantive evidence that has been proffered in this exchange so far.
>the fact that Nigeria's faced an economic boom as of 2014 or so
This proves absolutely nothing. It takes decades of high-growth across all sectors of society (agriculture, industry, manufacturing, services) to produce even a modest middle class. Given Nigeria's gini coefficient I doubt that oil wealth is going anywhere other than into the coffers of the elites.
>This combined with the fact that you either seriously thought Mexico and Brazil are continents
Brazil constitutes a third of the South American landmass alone, and Mexico constitutes the overwhelming majority of Latin America.
In any event, I'm sure even someone as stupid as you can appreciate why its ridiculous to compare a city to two huge countries and say "well, there are places in these two countries that might be worse", as if it is a meaningful standard.
>>193583>There is no way of quantifying the veracity of either of our accounts, given the nature of this being online and all. So no, it's not a matter of quarter or half truths. There are no differences in degree here, only in kind.
Are you really trying to argue "My friend of a friend experienced this" is just as reliable as "I, myself, experienced this"? Pitiful.>Do you have any evidence for this?
Yes, I posted it right after that. >Whatever you think of it, it is the only piece of substantive evidence that has been proffered in this exchange so far.
It's like you just pretend not to see things if they're inconvenient for you (or even make up your own, in the case of the Brazil/Mexico) thing. Selective readers shouldn't try to get into online arguments.>This proves absolutely nothing. It takes decades of high-growth across all sectors of society (agriculture, industry, manufacturing, services) to produce even a modest middle class. Given Nigeria's gini coefficient I doubt that oil wealth is going anywhere other than into the coffers of the elites.
I'd like to quote you in part here, "You ask me to provide some evidence to the contrary. I oblige and now you take issue with that evidence? What have you posted to substantiate your own, initial assertion? Nothing". Post your own counter-evidence to back up your rebuttals.>Brazil constitutes a third of the South American landmass alone, and Mexico constitutes the overwhelming majority of Latin America.
Nice backpedaling. Notice I didn't even say those countries alone, but some cities in them. No matter how you try to spin this and dilute things so you look less wrong, by accusing me of comparing the city to a continent when I mentioned cities within countries
, you showed off your own idiocy.>In any event, I'm sure even someone as stupid as you can appreciate why its ridiculous to compare a city to two huge countries and say
I wouldn't go around calling others stupid if I lacked basic reading comprehension like you do, just a tip. I didn't say all of Brazil or Mexico, I said "some cities" therein. Just give up on this, you made a mistake and subsequently made yourself look retarded.
Now who's misreading? I said friend. Not friend of a friend.
And yes. Since we have no way of independently verifying the veracity of either of these claims they're about as worthwhile as each other.
>Yes, I posted it right after that.
Can you explain how a news article about economic growth in Nigeria is evidence that 50% of Lagos is wealthy?
Are you really young or just really stupid?
>Post your own counter-evidence to back up your rebuttals.
The article you posted says nothing about how wealthy the average Lagosian is, which is what we're discussing here.
Back to PULL with ye, tumblrina.
>>193595>Now who's misreading? I said friend. Not friend of a friend.
Does it really matter? It's the same in spirit because you clearly learned very little from this "friend".>And yes. Since we have no way of independently verifying the veracity of either of these claims they're about as worthwhile as each other.
Half-truths are still slightly more reliable than quarter-truths. At least if someone asked me first-hand what Lagos was like, I could answer. You'd have to contact your friend or link them this thread. Alternatively, you'd just make shit up based on little to no evidence other than a link that simply says people can live in a city on less than a dollar a week (something that sounds suspicious to anyone with even an inkling of critical thinking skills) and absolutely no other information.>Can you explain how a news article about economic growth in Nigeria is evidence that 50% of Lagos is wealthy?
It certainly contradicts your insistence that 62% of people in a fucking city are living on less than a dollar a day.>Are you really young or just really stupid?
Neither, but you sound both. At least I know the difference between a country, a continent and a city. I believe we all learn this in primary school. Also, not an argument.>The article you posted says nothing about how wealthy the average Lagosian is, which is what we're discussing here.
Neither does anything you've offered up til this point. You can't even back up the garbage attempt at evidence you posted because you know you have no idea what you're talking about.>Back to PULL with ye, tumblrina.
I've been on Lolcow since it's conception, and Maxfag and SR before that (not that you would know what the latter two are). You sound like you're projecting. Or, since you know you've fucked up, exposed yourself as a moron and have nothing else to say, screaming "You're from PULL AND Tumblr!!" is your last resort.
How can a country who is directly ahead of South Africa in output and GDP (https://www.africaportal.org/dspace/articles/nigeria%e2%80%99s-economic-boom-positive-outcome-intra-africa-trade
) have "62% of its population living on less than a dollar a day"? Are you even capable of explaining how it is possible to live on less than a dollar in Lagos? Of course not. >I have a feeling you have no idea what "growth" or "GDP" even mean.
Big words from someone who doesn't know what a continent is. If you're not that anon, this doesn't apply to you obviously.
>>193607>How can a country who is directly ahead of South Africa in output
Output of what?
Ah, I see now. You don't understand what GDP is. GDP is just an aggregation of all economic activity in a given country, as a result it is skewed heavily by population size.
RSA has over double the GDP per capita of Nigeria (and don't get me wrong, RSA is still a complete shithole).
>have "62% of its population living on less than a dollar a day"?
We're talking about Lagos, not Nigeria in general.
>>193610>Output of what?
Goods, exportation, etc. I linked a pdf right there.>GDP is just an aggregation of all economic activity in a given country, as a result it is skewed heavily by population size.
How does this change my point, exactly? Can you explain how this subjective economic activity can still point to 62% of people living in its former capital to be surviving on less than a dollar a day?>We're talking about Lagos, not Nigeria in general.
Alright, my mistake. However, I asked you how it was possible to live on less than a dollar a day in Lagos specifically, and you still aren't capable of answering that. I don't think you ever will be, either.
>>193615>Because it is analogous to saying that the average Indian is richer than the average Swiss because India's GDP is higher.
False equivalency.>Net GDP tells you nothing about an average person's living standards or median income.
Again, "Can you explain how this subjective economic activity can still point to 62% of people living in its former capital to be surviving on less than a dollar a day?". >God damn you are dense.
You call me dense, but you tried so hard to defend the idea that Mexico is a continent and are still trying to dodge the focal question. You should probably just give up here. Clearly, all you can do is screech "PULL! Tumblr! No you're dumb!".
You asked me how so many Nigerians could be living on less than a dollar a day when their GDP was higher than that of South Africa. When Nigeria has something in the region of over 3 times the population South Africa does.
You are very evidently clueless about how basic economic statistics are calculated.
>Can you explain how this subjective economic activity can still point to 62% of people living in its former capital to be surviving on less than a dollar a day?.
Not an argument. India is the seventh largest economy in the world, it has all sorts of economic activity going on within its borders, including one of the world's largest steel industries. Nevertheless, around 60% of the population live on less than two dollars a day.
Point being you can have enormous growth and enormous poverty side by side.
I hope for the sake of your future employer you aren't taking a degree with a mathematics focus.
>>193620>You asked me how so many Nigerians could be living on less than a dollar a day when their GDP was higher than that of South Africa.
Not just their GDP, but their output and overall economic prosperity as of late. Also, that doesn't change the fact that your comparison was shit, it has little to do with anything we're talking about.>You are very evidently clueless about how basic economic statistics are calculated.
Not an argument. >Not an argument.
Are you legitimately retarded? It's a question. >India is the seventh largest economy in the world, it has all sorts of economic activity going on within its borders, including one of the world's largest steel industries. Nevertheless, around 60% of the population live on less than two dollars a day.
1. India isn't Lagos. Additionally, a country is not a city. Also, a continent is not a country. This is something you seem to have trouble understanding. Did you fail geography class?
2. The cost of living in Lagos would not allow for 62% of its population to live on less than a dollar a day. You can't actually refute this, so you've ignored it up til this point, but it's true.>I hope for the sake of your future employer you aren't taking a degree with a mathematics focus.
Not an argument.
>>193623>not just their GDP>but their output
Output of what? If you're talking about exports, then these are counted as part of the overall GDP equation.
>Additionally, a country is not a city.
It doesn't make a difference, the principle here remains the same. Net GDP tells you nothing about income or living standards.
>2. The cost of living in Lagos would not allow for 62% of its population to live on less than a dollar a day.
>>193624>Output of what? If you're talking about exports, then these are counted as part of the overall GDP equation
Check the pdf.>It doesn't make a difference, the principle here remains the same.
I'd wager the entirety of India is much larger than a single city in Nigeria, and aren't comparable in the least. So, no, the principle is not actually the same.>Prove it.https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Lagos
You're saying 62% of people living in Lagos apparently can't afford to live in the city itself, afford a cappucino or 1kg of cheese. A taxi start alone costs what you claim is their daily fund, so even commuting is out of the question.
Even this source only has 58 contributors.
You mentioned it above actually:
>Goods, exportation, etc.
What do you mean by "goods"? Goods for domestic consumption? For export? Because you've already mentioned exports.
>I'd wager the entirety of India is much larger than a single city in Nigeria, and aren't comparable in the least.
Net GDP tells you nothing about living standards, doesn't matter whether it's a country or a city.
>You're saying 62% of people living in Lagos apparently can't afford to live in the city itself,
Why do you think the city has huge shantytowns with people of no fixed abode?https://www.theworldweekly.com/index.php/reader/view/magazine/2017-03-23/lagos-a-city-of-shanty-towns-and-millionaires/9850/
>afford a cappucino or 1kg of cheese.
Yes, cappucinos are luxuries for a lot of poor people around the world you idiot.
>>193631>You mentioned it above actually
Congratulations, you learned to scroll up. Scroll up again, and you will find that at some point I said "Check the pdf". Do your best, anon.>Net GDP tells you nothing about living standards, doesn't matter whether it's a country or a city.
And? That doesn't make India the same as Lagos. Your comparison was garbage. >Yes, cappucinos are luxuries for a lot of poor people around the world you idiot.
And taxis? And potatoes? And milk? And eggs? And tomatoes? And beer? And a single (inexpensive) meal a day?
You're the idiot here, as you've demonstrated time and time again. Next you'll be telling me that if you set foot in Africa, tigers and giraffes will rush you.
seriously make a thread about lagos if you want to argue irrelevant shit and completely derail the thread
anyway reading about anons in fulfilling interracial relationships was pleasant, wishing the best for y'all :)
>tfw dated a Korean guy for half a year
>is exactly like described in this thread
- Would get angry very easily, but bottled it up so it was an extremely passive aggressive kind of anger. Would do an "I'm fine…" thing whenever I asked him what was wrong, and become increasingly pissed off whenever I took him at his word and didn't dote on him trying to ask him why he was upset.
- Hated seeing Asian girls with White men, got to the point where we'd have to avoid a lot of popular urban areas because he'd freak out and start muttering under his breath, slamming his fist against the table etc. The thing is, I had no idea what to do in this situation, did he want me to comfort him? What am I supposed to say even?
- Asshole parents who he wouldn't stand up to. Would chat shit about me in my presence.
- Every disagreement with him was met with "you don't understand my culture" or something about how I didn't understand the plight of the asian male in American society.
- He never actually hit me, but he'd do that thing when I pissed him off where he'd raise his fist threateningly against me to make me cower, so not real abuse, but still…
I'm now in a relationship with a white guy and much happier and in all honesty, I'd never date someone outside of my race again.
Persephone would be a perfect cow, but sadly she's been taking lessons from Princess Doll. She's so brazen she even tried to make her own thread on PULL iirc. She's only worth a few cringe watches.>>193404
Well said, Anon. I wish I would've figured all that out when I was youger. I would've saved myself alot of nutty exes.>>193729
I'm sorry you had to deal with that shit. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but these aznmasculinity "activist" types are on the same level as incels, they're just way more subtle. There's alot of good Asian men, but you have to wade through shit to find them.
Korean rage is real as fuck though. I'm very fortunate in that my boyfriend is really mellow, because he's aware of it and actively tries to keep his emotions in check. They're just really intense people and their kids learn it from them, I guess.
>>193832>Well said, Anon. I wish I would've figured all that out when I was youger. I would've saved myself alot of nutty exes.
Storytime anon, I'm intrigued.
>but you have to wade through shit to find them.
What's the point when you can find a decent man of your own race a lot more easily simply by virtue of them being easier to read and less inscrutable (to you anyway)?
>>193404>namely that they're simply not very physically or emotionally attractive.
My own theory is that in asian societies, you don't actually need to be particularly physically attractive or be engaging emotionally to snag a wife, there are all sorts of arranged dating services, familial-arranged dating and so on. Basically all you need is to pass your exams well, get an iron rice bowl type job and you'll get a wife. Even if she's not attracted to you, you'll still get her pregnant, then when you lose that attraction you take on a mistress or fuck hookers like a lot of Korean men do and that's that.
But basically at no point in this equation is any there any degree of self-consciousness among the men, they're never really required to work out, or to become more sociable or to improve in any way that isn't directly related to monetary gain in order to obtain a wife.
Now, when you transfer someone from this particular racial and cultural background into a dating market that's much more of a free for all and where chemical attraction, be it physical or personality or emotional or whatever, matters a lot more a lot of Asian men just don't know how to deal with it.
They come from a culture that tells them they need to pass some grueling exams and then they'll get their wife. And in America they learn that, actually, passing exams isn't in of itself good enough, and that a woman would rather spend her life with a guy on $80k a year who can make her life than a guy on $140k a year who she barely talks more than two sentences to every day.
On a related note, China is probably the only country in the world where most men will actively bitch about women going for non-monetary traits in a partner. You may think I'm joking but for them it really does make them angry when a woman goes for something other than income, and I think that's because deep down for a lot of Asian guys, that's the only feather in their cap.
With the exception of Koreans (who are uniformly assholes), you've got it completely the wrong way around.
The whiniest Asian men you'll meet are the American-born ones: Eddie Huang, Alan Yang, /r/asianmasculinity and /r/aznidentity. This is for two reasons:
1. Asians are prone to feelings of self-pity and feeling hard done by. All people are to some extent of course, but this is particularly true in Asian culture (some of the most famous Tang Dynasty poetry is whiny as fuck). It's the result of this whole archetype of suffering in silence and "eating bitterness". In Asia, these tendencies are kept in check by the shame culture and expectations of conformity. Bitching is frowned upon. American culture by contrast venerates the victim, to the point you have an entire political discourse devoted solely to establishing who is the biggest victim of them all. Under these conditions, the tendency of Asians to feel self-pity is let loose and their sense of grievance is emboldened, whereas in Asia they'd just get told to fuck off and get on with work.
2. Ugly Asian men, such as Eddie Huang, would simply be considered ugly and desirable and have to suck it up in a place like Taiwan. They'd be like the Taiwanese version of robots, blaming better looking men of their own race rather than members of other races, as there simply aren't that many non-Asians in East Asia to begin with. Put these people in the Western world however and they have a target for their resentment and grievance that is an outgroup (whites) rather than an ingroup (other Asians). This amplifies that resentment and adds a racial dimension to it.
(the girl with the HK boyfriend I think?) said. That level of resentment is actually not that common in Asia itself, the average Japanese guy actually doesn't care about Japanese girls dating gaijin for example. Outside of Korea anyway, where you're dealing with an ethnic group who have perhaps the most extreme inferiority complex on the planet.
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I don't really have any interesting stories about assholes, but I very briefly dated this eccentric dude. It wasn't horrible, just bizarre.
My grandma was working with a guy whose mother moved with him to the US when he was nine. They settled in Florida and his mother remarried a white guy, and to his credit he never acted like he was bitter about it. He became a travelling salesman and he did pretty well because he was fluent in Mandarin. I guess my grandma mentioned that I liked Asian dudes (very work appropriate) and he pestered her to give me his number. I honestly think he wasn't a bad person, but he would say things that would sketch me out a little like, 'My mom's so happy that I'm dating a white girl.' He wanted to move me in with his mom and stepdad a thousand-and-something-miles in Florida after only two months too.
>tells me his biological father is a high-ranking Triad member>named himself after famous businessman in hopes he'd gain some of his mojo>he changes his name every couple of months when it doesn't seem to be working>he'd do alot of coke and suck and my toes>i find out from my grandma he's been trash talking my male friends saying they were short betas>lied to my grandma about his age, he was 2 years older than what he said>he tells me he's the reincarnation of this chinese guy that died mysteriously in the 1930's>he shows me a photo and they really do look alike and have the same birth name. >my ex bf is a coked-out foot-fetish triad zombie who complains about dang dirty short betas to my grandmother.
>What's the point when you can find a decent man of your own race a lot more easily simply by virtue of them being easier to read and less inscrutable (to you anyway)?
There's no good, rational, non-spergy answer to this. I think it's mostly because my very first childhood boyfriend was Filipino and when I think about what a handsome man looks like, Asiatic features come to my mind automatically. I can appreciate a handsome white guy, but they don't get my fire started quite the same. I assume this is more-or-less how every other person with a strong racial preference in dating feels. It's a very intense feeling, so I can't blame anyone else for having it.
The couple you posted are actually quite a famous couple in Taiwan, the guy was a political leader and the woman was a Belorussian.
Her story is pretty sad, she wasn't abused or anything but she basically got completely cut off from her ancestral culture. She only met another Belorussian later on in her life when she was like 70 or 80 or something after moving to China, and then to Taiwan.
Her husband also didn't even allow her to play Mahjong because it was "unfeminine" or some shit. >>194585
The biggest red flag I've found is if he bitches about white men (or any other group of men really) dating Asian women.
Koreans have this idea that white women are more submissive and expect less of them than Korean women do. Same sort of fetish loser white guys have about Asian women, except it's the entire male population who think this way, not just the losers.