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Had 2 pot brownies about 3 hours ago. I'd love to try DMT, MDMA and mescaline. Really into psilocybin, too.
I'm getting more and more reclusive so it's really hard to get stuff.
drugs fuck up your life. Trust me. I have been addicted for around 5 years.
If you dont believe me then you will regret getting into drugs
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I've tried E, weed, salvia, K-2 (spice), acid, and molly.
I vape marijuana 2-4 nights a week, mostly for sleep, inspiration, or when I'm playing MtG/video games.
I have issues with dissociating so I avoid anything like K, I may or may not try shrooms someday tho.>>46072
care to share your salvia experience? Mine was short as fuck and pretty anticlimactic. I have a friend who smoked salvia and felt that they turned into a spoon in a full bowl of cereal, lmao.>>46074
What are you addicted to?>>46082
I was just talking to someone yesterday who did tons of drugs in the 70's– he says mescaline is very much a spiritual hallucinogen.
I was addicted to anything i could get my hands on. Mainly the smokable incense , heroin and marijuana.
I still have an addiction. Its something i cant get rid of honestly. I always crave and want to get high. I miss the dopamine rush.
Give me one and ill want more
I'm not really into drugs much. These days weed makes me feel like shit and fucks with my anxiety too much.
Done opiates, coke, some random pharms., and dudeweedlmao.
But as far as what I consume regularly it's just nicotine and alcohol (lol).
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blue lotus+ wine+ weed[a tiny bit] is my go-to for an altered state of mind, more wine and lotus if I feel like being sociable or more weed and lotus if I feel like being introspective and artsy.
I also like salvia, but really I have to force myself to do it at high enough doses to dissolve my bodily sense of self
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seeds are legal everywhere if you have the patience to grow plants and water them and all that stuff. I personally like gardening and I dont like smoking stuff so having a live plant that I can take leaves off of to chew/suck is the best option for me.
You can also buy (smokable)dried leaf in most countries pretty cheap from online ethnobotanical distributors.
Concentrates(liqud) are a third option, I like these because you can take them sublubligualy and dont have to smoke, there are also solid concentrates which you can smoke or make a tincture with.
Concentrates however are illegal in a lot of places(especially synthesized salvinioum-alpha) so the deep-web probably is the safest choice for those.
I smoke weed (legally, even) erryday and love that magical opioid feel, but so far I've managed to stick to pills (usually oxy or dilaudid, though I can rarely get my hands on any). I know just about everyone swears that they'll never stick a needle in their arm, so I can only hope I never get to that point, but goddamn, I love the opioid high so much, I honestly don't know how low I'd stoop.
I wish I could enjoy alcohol, but I hate it. I hate my body so much and feel so trapped in it that I've spent a lot my life trying to escape it and/or destroy it in various ways, and I found that constantly being on cold medicine and slightly stoned keeps me removed enough that I can function. I'll readily admit that I take whatever I can get my hands on, booze aside, to self-medicate. I'm well aware that it's not "healthy," but my health is and always has been shit, and I figure there's little chance of me making it to old age anyway, so I've spent the last almost-decade since I turned 18 just doing whatever I can to in order to cope and hold on. I don't do it for fun, to be "social," to party, or whatever. I almost exclusively partake when I'm alone. I'm pretty pathetic and I know it.
I've long wanted to experience DMT especially, but salvia, LSD, mushrooms, ketamine, and 2C-B or something similar are also on my "bucket list." I've just been too lazy to try to procure the materials myself, and, as someone who's spent long periods of time being a shut-in and has pretty much dropped out of society, I don't have any hookups. I'd try cocaine or MDMA if someone offered me some. I'm a poorfag, though, so I prefer shit I can grow or make myself. And, living in a glorious haven where both medical and recreational marijuana are legal, that means I mostly stick to weed.
I'm embarrassed that I smoke as much as I do, but I guess I don't come off as a pothead (thank god), because everyone seems to assume I'm the type of person who would never consume marijuana, or any other drug, for that matter. The downside of that is that no one ever offers me anything because they just assume I'll say no.
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>>46565>what's meth like?
honestly though, don't get into it. it's crazy addictive, cheap and easy to find, you'll feel alright for a short time then you'll come down like a motherfucker for the next few days and just want to die. it also turns people into violent criminals more than any other drug imo
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>mfw reading this thread
T-thanks Mom and Dad for discouraging me from drug use
Same here with pot. I also had the same reaction (ridiculous paranoia/panic attacks) from Wellbutrin of all things once I upped the dose.
I'd like to try other drugs but I really don't think I could handle it if I ended up in a worse place than I do when smoking. At least I have alcohol.
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here, I had that same issue for years– gave me panic attacks, spins, shakes, felt like I was going insane. A lot of it was anxieties I had about myself, my "failures" as >>46155
noted, my relationships and life path, etc.
I'm older now, and have done a LOT of thinking and maturing, tl;dr decided to try it again. Lo and behold, it actually feels nice now. I still get nervous at times since it's illegal, but I can shake it off or just check outside to make myself feel safe. If
you're interested in trying again, I recommend trying to vape it rather than smoke or eat it, that way you're just getting the THC and it's not nearly as powerful. Different strains also have different effects– some will make you more peaceful, some more imaginative, some more energetic. Also, if you're not 100% comfortable with whom and where you are, you'll be more sensitive and it is more likely to become off-putting.
All in all, it's just like anything else you're putting into your body. If you do it, remember you chose to and you have control, just relax and ride it out.
Vaping is much healthier, but not exactly more or less powerful.
Vaping will likely actually increase anxiety and paranoia compared to smoking, not reduce it. THC vaporizes at lower temperatures than CBD and other cannabinoids that counteract THC in many ways and contribute to the body high. THC is what gives you creative and weird ideas and causes anxiety. Vaporizers give you a higher ratio of THC because they're not as hot as actually lighting the weed with fire.
Also, the toxins in cannabis smoke are theorized to contribute to the "stoned" body high by lowering oxygen intake temporarily. For these reasons, vaping will give you more of a mins high, especially at lower temperatures.
It's way more cost efficient and likely way healthier though, so I still recommend it.
Hmm, wasn't speaking from a scientific perspective but from one of experience. I am definitely
much less anxious when vaporizing than when smoking, regardless of what's inside. But I see what you mean.
Understandable; I wasn't trying to deny your own experience. I've personally had many serious anxiety episodes both when smoking and vaping. I don't think I could confidently say which ones gave me worse anxiety though.
I could also be wrong about it objectively actually causing more anxiety despite the increase in THC ratio. There are many other factors that could go into it. From Googling, it looks like some people report more anxiety from smoking, some report more anxiety from vaping, and some with no noticeable difference. It seems like more people report smoking gives them more anxiety than vaping than the reverse, so it's certainly possible your experience will apply to more people.>>47167
Yeah, set and setting matters a lot, like for many other drugs. If you go into it anxious or in a bad mood, you're just going to amplify that.
I'll probably try again soon since it's about to legal here (Canada) but yeah, my first experience was not cool. I had my finger on the "9" on my phone for hours, ready to call 911 becaue I was convinced I was gonna die.
But like, that shit is so much stronger than it used to be too. A ton of THC. At least according to my older stoner friends but who knows.
Seconding this anon's answer. If you can't get hash, a few puffs of weed and a melatonin pill will have you asleep in no time and – probably – sleeping like a rock.
I personally recommend avoiding things like Nyquil, as the DXM can worsen or initiate anxiety or panic attacks.
A word of caution though: any drug (including antidepressants, booze, melatonin) can cause you to have some really whack and fucked-up dreams. On the positive side, you can have some amazing ones too. Be careful with the combinations you're making!
Ive fucked w/ weed, acid, shrooms, dmt, molly (mdma), vyvanse (prescibed), benzos (prescribed), pain killers, muscle relaxers and did a little meth once.
I smoke weed daily for medical reasons, but i love mixing weed and pills like vyvanse, xanax, opiates ect. I do that on the reg and since i dont like taking My vyvanse everyday (im actually ADD) I just save what ill need for work and use the rest to speed.
I dont trip or roll as much as i use to because of the negative effects its had on my everyday ability to function (i feel like theyve made me so dumb tbh)
Ive completely stopped acid because i just cant handle tripping for so long and my come downs are god fuck awful. Shrooms ill still fuck with and maybe DMT, but other than that ive really chilled with the harder drugs.
All of them probably could. Weed is what i usually like becuz cheep and easy to find, and I've noticed my memoryhas went to shit, I've been making more dumb fuck ups.
At the same time I've been getting better grades in school, and I've had easier times repairing computers and learning codes.
so like idk
Smoking pot is a given, but I consume herculean ammounts of the stuff.
I suppose I have to, English weed isn't known for it's potency.
I like acid best of all, it's gentler than liberty caps, the emotional rollercoaster effect isn't so pronounced I find.
Can't stand uppers, coke heads and speed freaks get on my tits.
MDMA can be great if it's not cut with methamphetamine, I think the last lot I had was, it wasn't quite right.
A Salvia dose of X60 potency was the most major trip of my life.
I thought I was dead and I couldn't hear or see anything but molten brass with black chevronss moving up and right into a howling black void like someone had folded over the page corner of reality, and there was nothing behind it.
I briefly believed that I must have been hit by a car because the chevrons made me think of tire-tracks across my brainpan.
Best experience I had with the stuff was also the first.
A friend had some nice product they'd been gifted with, we bombed about a .3 each in rizla papers and set off into the hills with nothing but our good selves and enough water for both of us.
We talked for what seemed like hours lazily clambering from one field to another, getting lost and deciding to simply walk straight through hedges rather than find our way around them.
I remembered nothing of what we'd talked about, but at the time it seemed like all the mysteries of the universe could be unfurled in the hand; all their contents revealed like a flattened paper fortune teller.
Eventually I passed out at the summit of the hill, near some standing stones, and woke up wrapped around my toilet at home.
He'd carried me, semi-conscious two miles across hills and boggy ground and a maze of farmers boundaries, and managed to bundle me into my bathroom without me recalling any of it.
You don't find LSD. LSD finds you.
Seriously, try hanging out with some hippies or nerds, they tend to be the psychedelics people. Protip: the smarter the crowd the better your bet.
There are certain websites on the internet which shall go unnamed in this conversation.
They often change because they are continually shut down, and pop back up again, but any "legitimate" black market site will have peer reviews and comments sections, which will give insignt as to the veracity of the product, though caveat emptor applies strongly, and some vendors pad their comments sections just like Amazon.
These websites facilitate a transaction between buyer and seller by digital currency; Bitcoin being the classic example, but the websites I have used have had a list of digital currencies that they use; these digital currencies are not my specialty, and I am not knowledgeable in their procurement, nor have I needed to be thanks to my pool of friends.
LSD in tab form is easy to send by mail, as it is odourless, and comes on paper, so as to be sent by a conventional nondescript envelope.
This makes it in many ways the ideal mail-order recreational chemical, besides the other obvious complicating factors.
And remember, don't take drugs before you look them up on Erowid, which is a highly valuable resource for both basic pharmacological effects and "trip journals".
And if you don't have a reasonable suspicion of what something is, don't take it at all.
I suppose depth is relative.
I mean, Tor isn't exactly a big secret, it's a free user friendly legitimate downloadable application.
That just happens to make it exponentially easier to find and procure illiegal goods and services online.
I am explicitly refraining from endorsing any particular site because A: loose lips sink ships and B: I haven't done it in a while and it's likely all my links are dead.
my own experiences:
i never touched so much as a single beer, cigarette or ~marihuana~ until i moved away for college.
art school, man. art school.
for the first year, I was pretty good. I got drunk for the first time, which was horrible, and I think I tried cigarettes and weed and didn't like either. I tried robotripping for a little bit and really liked it, but it was very difficult to conceal/function, so eventually I stopped. Tried spice in my sophomore year because I didn't have connections for weed and the head shops in my city hadn't all been busted yet. Eventually, I moved into a hippie co-op in my junior year and turned into a total stoner. (It didn't help that I was dating the community's weed dealer for the next two years. Even since we've broken up, he's still my go-to guy 'cause I get a discount.) That's when I had most regular access to psychedelics. I haven't tried DMT or mescaline, but basically everything else is checked off. I had a fantastic headtrip about a year and a half ago and haven't really had the desire to do it since, though.
Basically, I wasn't really concerned about any of my vices until last year. I briefly dated this guy from a wealthy family and he introduced me to coke and lately, heroin. When he was buying, I would occasionally join in because 'no skin off my nose', right? but he's started asking me to go in half lately, or to buy for 'us' entirely. I like him and heroin is kind of fun for a night, but I'm starting to worry that he's addicted. He's been clean until a couple of months ago, but he's starting to use more often than I'm comfortable with.
Really, coke is my poison of choice, but it's so fucking expensive. Heroin-guy is also the source for that, so I can't really afford to piss him off or cut him out of my life. TBH, I would give up all my drugs (and my right arm, and the soul of my firstborn child) for an Adderall prescription. HOW IS IT that people can find connections for heroin at any fucking gas station in the ghetto after midnight but I can't find a source for some perfectly legal pharmaceuticals?
I could always silk road it, I guess, I just hate waiting on the mail and someone in this city has to have a stupid prescription.
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Also, just for you, lolcow:
I found this pamphlet (printed in 1961) called 'WHAT ABOUT SMOKING? A Brief Common-Sense Discussion' at a local garage sale. It is full of many such amusing anecdotes such as pic related and humorous illustrations. Chapter X, The Menace of Marihuana, is a particular gem.
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it is boring! whenever the topic comes up in person i find myself wondering if i every really graduated high school and if this is all just a fever dream
lsd is nice, i have heard so many people say this and that would lead to a bad trip but i find that a day alone with acid and some weed and a beer at the end is pure gold.
for some reason i will spontaneously get the shakes when i am smoking mj. sometimes i think i am just imagining them but i can see my hands shaking and it's a little unnerving. i find a beer or two helps. it may be just too much coffee. coffee + a bowl = how i get stuff done; so maybe i just get too tensed up. alcohol is ok, but there's definitely a "tipping point" for myself and for others. you've got to know how to ride the buzz and not drink too much or else the night is done for.
i'm glad it helps with your anxiety! that sounds positively delightful. i was prescribed klonopin (sp?) against my will as a younger person. i absolutely hated it because i was terrified of how it might change my personality, most people think i was stupid and would have loved having the prescription but ironically i associate pills and the like with the utmost of stress and anxiety and they just make me feel sick and give me nightmares. i'm glad they have a positive use for you! funny how things affect people differently
In my experience stoners are so used to being told straight up lies about the negative effects of weed that they're immune to any criticism of it at all even when valid. That mentality was what led me to dependency issues, I thought smoking every day was harmless when it wasn't. I've only recently substantially cut back and honestly you might need to stop hanging around with them if that's what keeps happening when you're with them.
My friends don't seem to want to cut back at all so I've been seeing them a lot less lately.
Personally I've never been one for drinking much (I think the last time I was drunk was September) which might explain my affinity for weed and other drugs, and I'm also worried about drinking while on benzos and fucking up my liver or just making a fool of myself.
Is the shaking ever present while sober? You could try taking one substance at a time to try and isolate the cause of the shaking if it bothers you, maybe just have a coffee, or just smoke a bowl, and see if/when it pops up?
I get what you mean about changing your personality. If I'm on 1 mg of xanax I can control myself but usually any more in a night and I'm a little more loose lipped about personal issues than I'd like. Also taking them too often makes me wary of dependency so there's a little anxiety added there ironically.
Never taken Klonopin before but from my understanding, it's slower acting and longer lasting which usually doesn't help with mental states if you're on a drug you don't really want to be on. If I sleep on a xanax I don't think I'd even be capable of dreaming lol. Hope you find something that helps you.
I feel you. it's no imagination, I've seen documentaries and some people react this way on thc (with panic/anxiety).
I know that feeling of being locked inside, too, but I have a weird body image/feeling to begin with.
I don't combine anything, when I'm high on shrooms I counteract anxiety by finding sources of light. Yep. light. The sun, lightbulbs, lamps or pretty much anything that gives off light put me at peace. You should try it, see if it works.
The bad thing is, if you spend 4 hours staring at a lamp your eyes will be dry and fucked for ages.
a good combination is shrooms and mdma.
acid + mdma should be good too.
LSD or shrooms are good combined with nature ;)
+ all criticism of it seems like some massive conspiracy against DA EXPANSION OF CONSHASNASS
wow that sounds really awful. are you okay now?
I've never had lab psylos but I've had lsd which is also synthetic. there's a difference, but it's important what you occupy yourself with before you're doing drugs.
Yeah I'm fine now. I'm not like the horror stories you hear about where people are like stuck in psychosis for eternity.
Yeah you 100% need to occupy yourself. I shot into a vortex because we were all just sitting around in a circle drinking tea and everything just felt so fucking mundane I felt like I was going to explode.
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i'm not one for drinking either tbh it just kind of takes the edge off when i'm hanging out with people. weed is greatly preferred - but yes preserve that liver! i totally understand that line of thinking. i got drunk on my birthday in march and ended up crying on the floor in my friend's bathroom haha. absolutely mortifying, i don't see myself drinking anything else for a long time kek
i found myself shaking just now, no coffee or weed, just really perturbed about something. i usually blame the mj but i think it just may be that pesky anxiety. currently taking some deep breaths, i think i just get wrapped up in my thoughts and forget to breathe haha. but for real apparently breathing is essential
when i was younger i used to get so stressed out i'd have out of body experiences. it was only later in life i learned what they were called so i think it may be something like that, just on a less dramatic scale. i think smoking helps keep me generally calm but it's up to me to manage small scale freakouts
ahh the legendary loose lipped-ness! haha yeah i get you there. it's so thrilling to be relaxed and be able to talk about literally anything without constant self policing, and often it's just really satisfying to be too honest. most people are wrapped up in their own dramas anyhow, don't worry about it too much <3 it's ok to just talk
you seem like such a pleasant human to chill with, drugs or not. i hope your life gets better and better anon
Man. The worst bathroom-walls-turning-into-other-things experience that I've had was when everything turned into cats. apparently this is a common thing.
anon, next time, think about cats instead of the white empire.
Which strain? Dutchii perhaps? That is a fairly new strain that can be quite a heavy experience.
Furthermore, what were you thinking? Taking psilocybin truffles IN A BAR?! You should take them in a familiar, safe place, with someone you can trust.
Also ego death and an existential crisis at the end of your trip are very common. If you would've done it in a hotel room, it would've been less intense.
Next time, stay in a room, alone or with 1 person. Keep it dark, or watch a movie. Or maybe do some in the forest. But don't do it in an environment like a bar ffs.
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Yeah the bar wasn't a great place because it made all our social interactions seem unbearably mundane. Movies are dumb so I couldn't have bared that either. It didn't get better back at the hotel room but perhaps it was too late by then.
I'm not sure I want to do them again, it was so horrific. If I did it would have to be in forest like you say, or in a garden on a really sunny day.
Atlantis should be pretty mild usually, it really was the environment then that effed you up.
In a forest or garden would already be a huge improvement, with tripping it's all about the setting. How you are feeling, where you are and who are with you.
The trick with it not getting horrific, is keeping in mind that it will pass. No matter which feelings/thoughts you get, it will pass. You don't have to panic.
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My best trip was after a huge binge on shrooms. I sat around being insanely happy for around an hour (so I'm told, I had no concept of time) then I worshipped a lamp for 4 hours. This ikea lamp was the most beautiful thing in the world to me, I could feel its light enter me like a loving warmth, entering through my skin and then washing over my body in waves like an orgasm of warmth and joy. I didn't feel the time pass by at all, my brain was glitching up with time. I couldn't feel in the present even when I tried. The rim of the lamp seemed to spin around and everything was so bright and colourful. When I closed my eyes I saw intense visions. To be fair I took a heroic dose, didn't even weigh it, just took all the dried ones I had (at least 6 grams at the time?) and a whole bunch of fresh ones.
10/10 would do again. Never do it without a chaperone though. I had my bf at the time looking after me. He was worried I was brain damaged lol, because I was drooling and could barely communicate beyond "The lamp…"
My last time drunk was a similar experience, too much red wine and I was effectively became a garden ornament for the rest of the party I was at, haven't been too inclined to do it again since then lol.
Can't really offer much advice if your shaking happens when you're sober unfortunately, but at least you know that the drugs you take aren't fucking you up in that particular respect.
I've never had an out of body experience but I'm very interested in the idea of it, although maybe an OBE as a result of stress might not be as fun. I'm curious as to what they're like but I don't think I want to take huge amounts of drugs to trigger
one. I'm glad the stress related OBEs stopped for you because it sounds really unnerving.
>it's so thrilling to be relaxed and be able to talk about literally anything without constant self policing, and often it's just really satisfying to be too honest
I get you 100%. It might just be xanax, but I suspect it has something to do with me not feeling comfortable talking about personal stuff at all when sober or just on weed, so much so that it's like opening the floodgates when I take one. I'm hoping at some point my tolerance stops this, or I just run out of personal things to say.
>you seem like such a pleasant human to chill with, drugs or not. i hope your life gets better and better anon
:-) You too, sometimes I forget it's possible to have nice conversations with anons.
I know what you mean. It took a long time for me to admit to myself that I'm slower, less creative, and unproductive when high. I think part of it was because I felt inferior for being so affected by something that other people all over the world seem to be able to do without side effects, and part of it because if I admit the side effects to myself, I admit to myself that I wasted a large part of my life/money doing something so harmful to myself. That, and when I was smoking all the time there wasn't even time for introspection or time to observe how different I am when sober. Obviously this won't apply to everyone, but in my circle of friends that do smoke I've yet to see an exception.
Not to go off on a tangent, but I think I get what is meant by 'weed is a gateway drug'. People smoke weed for the first couple of times, realise it's relatively harmless in spite of what authority figures say about it, and develop a mistrust for what the authorities say about drugs in general and decide to experiment with other drugs or use weed liberally.
I wish weed was more akin to alcohol in terms of public perception (ie safe in moderation, but can easily lead to dependency) just because I think it would lead to less distrust and misinformation about weed and drugs in general.
Seems like it would be an interesting high.>>86327
See, I like joints for ease of use, at least to me it's easier. That, and it isn't as easy for me to fuck myself over when doing a hit.
Once you know what is happening inside a bong it's not even remotely difficult. I think you've built it up to something it's not in your head, it's simple enough that stoners can do it.
Light the weed, cover the shotty hole with a finger and suck air in from the chamber slowly so that the smoke from the lit weed collects in the chamber. When there's enough smoke in the chamber, or the weed has all been burnt, take your finger off the shotty hole and breath in deeper so that outside air can enter the chamber through the shotty and accompany the smoke into your lungs. Hold and exhale. That's it. The water is just there to cool down the smoke as it passes through the pipe into the chamber and make it less harsh.
Joints waste so much weed I can't smoke them in good conscience when a bong is available.
I think it can initially make you more creative and want to do exciting things. Eventually though when you realise it allows you to mong out for 7 hours in front of the internet it doesn't.
I smoked for two years and then the paranoia just got too much from ConSpiracy documentaries. 'IS MY COLLEGE LEXXCTURER A LIZARD?!!'
I had a daily thing with weed for 4 years, now I have a daily thing with dexedrine and never smoke weed. I get a lot more done now.
I compliment the dex with magnesium, nicotine and caffeine.
I still semi-regularly take ecstasy too. I never drink so it's good to have a thing I can be on when I'm partying.
My list of drugs I've done is boring though, a few different trips, a few different benzos, a couple opiates. Nangs.
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I was once like you. Made everyone else do the Bong work for me till I had to do it myself when I would get a hangover. You just need practice. Alternatively, you can get a vape. I bought this one for my bf and it's a god send.
>>46193>benzos (but I was drunk so I didn't feel anything)
m80 that doesn't make any sense, benzos + booze fucks you up good and proper, what dosage were you doing?>>46215
That doesn't sound like acid or ecstasy. LSD doesn't make you hallucinate, per se, more like it means shit warps, but that either sounds like really low dose LSD or some other new/ novel psych.
How into it are you, anon? Watch your bladder.
I spent 3 months a few years ago constantly high. Like I think there wasn't a single 24 hour period I didn't have k in my system, I only stopped because I ran out of money. This was back when it was cheap, plentiful and high quality. I was buying it in bulk off darknet markets, sometimes as little as £10 a gram for good, on weight shit.
A friend told me I was "the most boring person ever" for those 3 months. I definitely don't regret it, it's not like I had anything better to do at the time and I'm down to using it maybe once or twice every few months now.
Vapes are good if you need to get high discreetly, other than that you're not getting as much bang for your buck as you do with a bong. I have a vape and compared to a bong, it's like suddenly realising you've been high for the last ten minutes rather than feeling the high hit you, which is my favourite part.
Please don't fork out $250+ because you couldn't figure out how to use a bong.
No one is born knowing how to use a bong, and I've been smoking regularly for years and will still cough every now and then. Watch a slow mo bong rip on youtube to get a conceptual understanding if you need to lol.
Absolutely. Some people might be creative and have that creativity amplified by weed, but if you're not the creative type, weed won't turn you into one, and people that claim to need weed to 'get the creative juices flowing' tend to just have shit ideas that get through the filter because they're too high to care/realise.
It's great if you have nothing to do but browse all day because it makes it fun, but also removes the desire to change that situation in the first place.
In terms of amount of weed used per how high you get, how fast you get high, and how long that high lasts, bongs win in every category. Vaping is a much slower process than even two or three bong hits, which means the high onset is gradual. There are obviously situations where vapes are more beneficial (transporting equipment like you said, smell, etc.) but if you're asking about the best way to get high with friends or by yourself, where being caught isn't an issue, the answer is a bong.
>Granted I'm not a huge stoner but honestly, there's no difference.
You do raise an interesting point actually, I'm speaking from the point of view of someone whose tolerance has stayed more or less consistent over a few years. Someone that doesn't smoke regularly might not notice the difference between vapes and bongs as much, but that said, I wouldn't recommend buying a $250 vape for someone who doesn't smoke regularly.
I have a vape and a glass bong and honestly I regret buying the vape, I'm not in situations where I need to smoke discreetly nearly often enough for it to be a good investment.
Please don't listen to random anons on things like radically changing your diet to alter your mental state, they're not dieticians, people react differently to different diets, and carbs, like everything else, are fine in moderation.
Saying something like 'try eating less carbs' when they don't even know your carb intake to begin with is just fucking stupid, especially when the original question was about antidepressants.
Both diet and antidepressants are something you should be talking about with professionals. Antidepressants give different effects to different people so you shouldn't be discouraged if the first one you try doesn't work, it doesn't mean you're 'incurable'.
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I just recently started smoking weed– my friend says if you smoke a cigarette or cigar after you smoke you can get higher? is this true?
I really do like weed like.. damn…it's so nice.. but my lungs can't really take it. I might start investing in larger amounts and make edibles.
There isn't great scientific basis for it in general, but new diets are worth trying and experimenting with. I think some people have varying degrees of blood sugar regulation issues, in which case carb consumption can affect their energy moreso than others.
I personally tend to have more energy if I'm fasting. Paradoxically.
Only for severe depression. Other wise it isn't worth the side effects.
With other disorders you can't be on just anti depressants, because then it could make you suicidal. So you would be put on anti depressants + mood stabilizer or anti depressants + anti psychotics etc.
For MILD depression, exercise and lifestyle changes can work, but we're talking about MILD depression then.
Exercise has been shown to help with MILD depression, and anti depressants have been shown to help with SEVERE depression.
Not every depression is the same.
Yeah, I stopped wanting to an hero over every little thing. They definitely help, definitely worth it.
You can do all that other shit that's good for your health once you're able to function normally. Just focus on getting out the door to an appointment anon. Hope you feel better.
LSD will not work properly is you are on SSRIs. Same goes for other psys like shrooms.
Also it's potentially dangerous to combine MDMA and SSRIs. It could cause serotonin syndrome.
You should get your information BEFORE you take hard drugs.
MDMA - Best drug out there if pure and used responsibly. Really helped me grow as a person.
Amphetamines - ok-ish, boring since I get Adderall on prescription anyway
Opiates/Opioids - Great but addictive as fuck. Withdrawal isn’t worth it.
Amphetamine and Opiates: Way too good, would not recommend because it ruins you.
Benzos - Same as opiates, though less fun
Weed - boring
Cocaine - Fun if good quality but way too expensive and it makes you do stupid things like alcohol
Any sort of research chemicals - Don't fuck with this shit
Ecstacy Pills - Can be fun if you're close to the Netherlands and have access to drug checking. Would't touch this shit in the US. Though I don't know for what reason anyone would prefer pills over actual mdma crystals except maybe for the fun shapes and colors.
What I’ll never do: Crack & Meth for obvious reasons, psychedelic drugs like LSD or shrooms because I don’t trust my brain.
I’d like to try ketamine in the future.
>>90725>>Way too good, would not recommend because it ruins you.
Good reviews/list anon– but tbh the drug itself doesn't ruin you unless you have a pre existing heart condition. As long as you eat, sleep, use vitamin supplements and exercise it's fine. Even the dopamine receptors can be repaired in a few months. People (myself included at one point) try to chase the euphoria high too much and they refuse to eat or sleep. But at that point you either take a tolerance break or smoke meth. I love meth but tweakers are the worst type of people so it's not worth it.
I do agree MDMA is the bomb and the best drug. It's crazy how some people do it every weekend because THAT shit will kill you. lol. Also I'm not big on psychedelics either.
Your best bet is to do some research and lay off rec drugs OP.
order some online
it's pretty easy and safe. sometimes expensive, though.
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I've done acid a few times and weed. I don't know if I got a bad batch or what, but after smoking enough times with my friends I decided to buy some for myself and it made me sick every time I tried it. Now I'm pretty turned off to the drug as a whole.
LSD changed my life in all honesty. Helped with my depression and my overall attitude towards life. Much less melodramatic now and am super easy going whereas before I used to freak out about the future and worry myself sick over everything. The hallucinations were also cool as fuck obviously, but those didn't teach me anything aside from how subjective reality is which to be fair is kind of a big one.
I'm pretty open to most drugs aside from retard-tier ones like crack and heroin. I'd like to take molly, ketamine, and shrooms the most though
Have you guys actually never had hallucinations on LSD?
I have gotten visuals out the ass on just 110ug
To name a few just from that first trip:>Some weird shadow lion and his cub were walking around on the roof of my apartment. Clear as day>a bull popping out of the arch of a building>cigarette turned into a lizard's tail>faces on trees and rocks, along with personalities (became best friends with one, I'd come back to check up on him every few hours and shoot the shit with him)>letters rearranging themselves on signs>the blocks were numbered while I was playing jenga and the numbers kept changing very quickly>two smokestacks with cartoon faces smoking cigarettes >face on a statue sticks his tongue out at me
You get the idea
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>What drugs have you done?
DPH (benadryl lol), marijuana, LSD, shrooms, DMT, MDMA, alcohol, DXM (robotussin), hydrocodone, lorazepam, xanax, and i did cocaine once but didn't really get too high off it.
>What drugs do you use regularly?
Marijuana daily, alcohol sometimes. Did LSD a few months ago after not having tripped in about two years.
I realise I'm replying to a 6 month old post, but as this thread has been bumped anyway, for anyone reading it through, this is false.
Here's a link>http://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-and-depression-report-excerpt>A review of studies stretching back to 1981 concluded that regular exercise can improve mood in people with mild to moderate depression. It also may play a supporting role in treating severe depression.>Another study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine in 1999, divided 156 men and women with depression into three groups. One group took part in an aerobic exercise program, another took the SSRI sertraline (Zoloft), and a third did both. At the 16-week mark, depression had eased in all three groups. About 60%–70% of the people in all three groups could no longer be classed as having major depression. In fact, group scores on two rating scales of depression were essentially the same. This suggests that for those who need or wish to avoid drugs, exercise might be an acceptable substitute for antidepressants.
Exercise really does help. And unless you're diagnosed as severe, you shouldn't assume you are, because it's not that common, and it's next to impossible to say how severe you are, you have no frame of reference really. Even if you are, exercise helps.
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>What drugs have you done?
Trust me, a lot.
What drugs do you use regularly?
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I smoked it on a sunny day reclining on a lounge chair inside a screened in porch. My friend from the other end of the states gave it to me for free, she sprinkled some on top of a bowl of weed and I hit it wrong, apparently… I didn't quite "break through" to the "other side" but… as I looked at the houses across the street it was as if I saw each individual particle making up everything in my field of view turn into writhing shapes which then flickered upward like smoke or mist while getting smaller and smaller as they disappeared into the blue cloudless sky. I looked to my right where a paisley patterned curtain with a sort of vintage aesthetic was covering the living room window. A second later I returned my gaze to the view across the street, but two of the paisley patterns remained in the bottom right corner of my vision. Except they were made of translucent green and purple energy, the kind that you see against the darkness of the inside of your eyelids. Not only were the paisley beings alive and moving, they emanated a wordless anger which frightened me so greatly that within seconds everything which was abnormal to the sober mind vanished and suddenly my friend was asking me how I liked DMT. I was told my experience only lasted 7 minutes. Wish I had inhaled it correctly. Would recommend the documentary "The Spirit Molecule" if you're really curious about this substance which our brains naturally produce.
thats really fucking trippy. i thought those kinds of hallucinations were just made up on tv by people that have never actually done acid and just assume that's what its like.
for me, the hallucations were like the other anon described - objects around me warping, shapes, colors, patterns moving.
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I've only had weed and I use it regularly. I do it a few times a week, most of them being only one or two hits off of a pipe and then one night where I go to town. When I do a lot, I tend to get pretty existential in a good way. I get different perspectives on things than I would sober which can be really helpful, but I also often descend into typical stoner amazement ("Oh my god, you guys, us and dogs are different species and we're, like, best friends. That's so amaaaaazing").
Once in a blue moon I'll drink alcohol and smoke a lot of weed. That shit's pretty fun, but most of my friends don't like the combo. I'd be interested to try LSD or MDMA if ever given the opportunity.
I don't know if I ever try DMT. I have much respect for it. But at the same time it's so fascinating.. I like to read Terence Mckenna's experiences too.
2-CE was very funny, buyed it thinking it was acid, but it's totally different. I laughed so much about almost everything, including hallucinations.
what kind of mental illness did mdma help you with?
I can relate to the anxiety issue. I loved the trip itself but the come down is so awful.
My depression, my anxiety, and my PTSD.
I knew my shit was still there, but it felt like it had all melted or faded away for a while and I felt something close to happiness? or at the very least, normalcy. It was lovely and I saw why scientists are working on using mdma to treat veterans with PTSD and mental disorders brought on by war.
The comedown was actually quite nice for me. The afterglow was so peaceful. It's even nice just thinking about it lol
and then I later found out that if I could die from drinking too much water/drinking not enough water and I was like "well that's enough of that"
MDMA can be pretty bad for depression though, especially if you consider that using it too often leads directly to a depressive state even in normal people, combined with the increased risk of substance abuse for people with mental illness of any kind, and it's not the smartest combo.
In a therapy setting, sure, but I wouldn't recommend just popping them at home for that reason.
Yeah, that's something else I found out afterwards. I got extremely lucky there. I'd never take it by myself at home frequently, like one would with weed. Only in social settings and it's been like…4-ish years since the last time I took it.
Still, got lucky that my depression didn't get worse. Not many people can say that.
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Eh I wasn't looking to try it specifically. My friend just offered it to me. I wouldn't say my experience was bad at all on it. The moment I got scared, there was no longer any reason to be afraid.
2CE on the other hand, I got addicted to for a few months. Ordered in bulk from CanadaRC, it must have been at least a gram. Started out filling gel capsules from Vitamin Shoppe, then moved on to snorting it at least once a week. Ended up in the psych ward, had to drop out of school because they kept me there for a month and it was near finals. Got stuck in the gears of the psych industry for far too long after that.
sorry I mistaked 2ce for something else (psychedelic on blotter like lsd)
>I got addicted for a few months>got stuck in the gears of the psych industry
how are you now?
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I'm no longer on medication or in therapy, getting by on just vaporizing weed. Don't have random crying fits although sometimes I find it hard to sleep. I haven't gone more than one night without sleeping again though, that's when it gets bad. I wasted too many years on big pharma's pills without getting therapy. If you've been diagnosed with a mental illness you may find therapy is all you really need. My psychiatrist told me I'd have to be on mood stabilizers for the rest of my life, and once I stopped taking them without consulting her she said I must not really be bipolar, I must just have Borderline Personality Disorder if I feel better off meds. Joke is the person who actually gave me therapy said I had made too much progress to have borderline, and the Psychiatrist never offered therapy because (DIRECT QUOTE) "it's too much drama to deal with patients' problems". DEALING WITH PROBLEMS IS HARD HERE TAKE THESE DRUGS
>>112920>My psychiatrist told me I'd have to be on mood stabilizers for the rest of my life, and once I stopped taking them without consulting her she said I must not really be bipolar, I must just have Borderline Personality Disorder if I feel better off meds
Kek, this never happened. Bipolar and Borderline aren't similar at all, they don't present the same, they don't have the same symptoms, nothing.
Same with>Joke is the person who actually gave me therapy said I had made too much progress to have borderline
People with BPD recover just fine if they're willing to do therapy, there's whole styles of therapy dedicated to treating them.
Bipolar and BPD have some overlapping symptoms anon. They are very similar in terms of mood instability, self-injury, suicidal ideation, mood swings, etc. That being said the "reason" for these behaviors is different and is treated differently.
I went to various doctors for many years and also was told at first i was borderline but then was later given a bipolar diagnosis. Once treated all of my "borderline traits" went away, totally new person now.
>>113087>Bipolar and BPD have some overlapping symptoms anon. They are very similar in terms of mood instability, self-injury, suicidal ideation, mood swings, etc. That being said the "reason" for these behaviors is different and is treated differently.
But they're not. Like, at all. Episodes of Bipolar (depressive or manic) last at least two weeks. A mood swing for BPD could last an hour, and be changed by someone assuring you that everything is fine.
>I went to various doctors for many years and also was told at first i was borderline but then was later given a bipolar diagnosis. Once treated all of my "borderline traits" went away, totally new person now.
Well, good for you, I'm glad you're doing better.
It doesn't change that Bipolar and BPD aren't at all similar. BPD has no mania present, or inherent depression. And Bipolar doesn't have any of the other features of BPD.
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If you don't want to believe me, it's your own fault for having such strong preconceived notions about the authority of Psychiatrists and their shit fucking industr- I mean """medical field"""
I am not >>113087
>Episodes of Bipolar (depressive or manic) last at least two weeks.
Not necessarily true. Ultra rapid cycling (cycles lasting a few days) or ultradian (cycles lasting less than a day) are possible. Bipolar isn't always a perfect cycle.
Some people may cycle in a few days , then may have a week long episode later one etc. Some people may have a short 1-3 day hypomanic episode and then have it followed by months long of depressive episode etc.
BPD mood swings are largely triggered
by environmental factors, whereas BP is episodic. BP swings can sometimes be triggered
by environmental things, but for the most part it just happens on its own.
That being said obvs they are different but they really do have overlapping symptoms or similar ones at least.
replying to this post and your previous one. I'm glad that you have found a drug that works for you (weed). I do also agree that therapy is something everyone should get if they have mental health issues. I went to professional therapy for many many years and would also "practice" CBT by myself by trying to adjust my thoughts on the daily and completing workbooks.
Obviously taking drugs or doing drugs for mental health is not inherently bad. I am a big advocate for anti-stigmatizing medications. Some people may need them a lot, others may only need them for a little while, and some many not need them at all. Brain chemistry can also change so someone who used to take something like mood stabilizers like you with good results may not need them for life.
Some doctors really do prescribe anything and wrongly, which is not ok. A lot of them are paid by certain companies to recommend or prescribe certain things so it's important to take everything with a grain of salt.
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Thank you. I had EMDR therapy mainly, I would say that was more helpful in changing my brain chemistry than the mood stabilizers were. On the mood stabilizers I was mainly just numb and/or dissociated until it was time to take my pills again at which point I'd start sobbing without provocation.
I was never told that taking them only for a little while was an option. I was told I needed to be on multiple drugs that had adverse side effects for the rest of my life. It's worse if you're inside a hospital, they can give you drugs against your will without ever telling you what they are. Once I couldn't sleep for three days so my family took me to the ER where they gave me a shot in my arm and suddenly I was no longer in the chair in the ER; I awoke in a gown on a steel slab in a room with no windows. My mom was holding my hand and kept telling me everything would be okay. A nurse escorted her out and I had terrifying hallucinations for an indeterminate period of time until I woke up again in the psych ward. They administered another involuntary injection during my stay and one of the pills they made me take gave me a seizure.
>>113089>my self medication is better than these researched medications and treatments because it worked for me and I have a comic!
Yes, that's what I said. That they have nothing in common. Not that they're so different in presentation and symptom that it would be essentially impossible for a trained psychiatrist to mistake them.>>113091>Ultra rapid cycling (cycles lasting a few days) or ultradian (cycles lasting less than a day) are possible.
Do you have a source about these? I always here people talk about them existing, but from my understanding (which isn't perfect of course, I'm not a doctor so if I'm wrong here, please, link me something showing that) a manic or depressive episode must last at least two weeks, and that anything shorter doesn't count as a full episode. Yet (once again, from my understanding, if I'm wrong, links would be appreciated), a diagnosis of Bipolar requires either the presence of a depressive or (hypo)manic episodes. Anything about diagnosis of these being recognised would be appreciated.
I do recognise that Bipolar isn't a perfect cycle though, most of the time people with it are relatively normal, not in the grips of an active episode.
>BPD mood swings are largely triggered by environmental factors, whereas BP is episodic. BP swings can sometimes be triggered by environmental things, but for the most part it just happens on its own.
Nah, BPD mood swings are almost always triggered
by something. Whether that be something that actually happened, or something that they assumed happened is a whole different matter though.
>That being said obvs they are different but they really do have overlapping symptoms or similar ones at least.
There's some similarities, sure, but they're really superficial, and any more understanding of either disorder shows that they really aren't at all that related, apart from both including mood fluctuation of some sort.
I appreciate you discussing this though, even if we don't entirely agree.>>113092
Come on, you could at least tone down the samefagging a little bit. Not everyone who disagrees with you is /r9k/, and I don't think anything I said suggested I was.>>113094
I agree almost completely with this post, though I'd advocate people are hesitant with trying drugs with potential for recreational use to fix their issues, as that leads really easily to addiction.
As far as I know though, the whole "paid off by muh big pharma!" is almost exclusively an American thing. Ads for medications of any sort except for like paracetamol or cough medicine are illegal in my country, for example, and we're relatively well known (Aus).
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I don't care about anything you have to say because you literally said that events that occurred in my life never happened. You have NO idea what it's like being admitted to an American mental hospital against your will, what it's like afterwards. Shut the fuck up.
I said that the events in your life never happened because they obviously didn't, retard. No psychiatrist will go "Oh, you got better without medications? Must have been this unrelated disorder, instead of you just simply getting better like people sometimes do for seemingly no reason".
It's kind of hard to play it off as not caring about what I say when you samefagged several responses to me, by the way.
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Nothing you say will change what happened. Have you ever even been to the USA? http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/medications-bipolar-disorder
>If you have bipolar disorder, you may need to take medication indefinitely and possibly for the rest of your life.
First fucking sentence.http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=H4300
It must be nice over there in Australia.
>>113109>If you have bipolar disorder, you may need to take medication indefinitely and possibly for the rest of your life.
I never denied this?
I denied this part>once I stopped taking them without consulting her she said I must not really be bipolar, I must just have Borderline Personality Disorder if I feel better off meds
And>Joke is the person who actually gave me therapy said I had made too much progress to have borderline
Because they are completely nonsensical, ignore the basic nature of both disorders, and show that you're talking from an amateur perspective of both what they are, and treatable they are.
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>>113110>a doctor would never attempt to justify having told you that you would need medication for the rest of your life after being wrong
>a therapist would never tell their patient that their treatment had been successful
Tell me anon, what did Dr. Castellanos actually say to me when I stopped taking meds without consulting her??? :)
>>113111>a doctor would never attempt to justify having told you that you would need medication for the rest of your life after being wrong
I really doubt a psychiatrist would go "Oh, you're in a state where you aren't displaying active symptoms? It must have been this almost completely unrelated disorder". You realise that bipolar can go years without active episodes for seemingly no reason, right? And that, as I said, it presents absolutely nothing like BPD?
>a therapist would never tell their patient that their treatment had been successful
That's not what I said at all though. I said a therapist wouldn't go "Oh no, couldn't be BPD, you've gotten better!", because people with BPD are absolutely capable of getting better.
>Tell me anon, what did Dr. Castellanos actually say to me when I stopped taking meds without consulting her???
Wow gee you sure showed me by asking an impossible to answer question for me that doesn't actually support what you're saying or refute what I'm saying.
Hey, while we're at it, what did I eat for dinner last night? If you can't answer, I'm right, just by the way.
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That's not what she said at all. Before I stopped taking the medication, I asked her if I should do it because I was still having symptoms (random dissociation and crying) on the medication. She said that was a bad idea because she had a patient with Bipolar Type I who stopped taking his medication after 20 years of being on it and soon after he stopped the regimen he had a manic episode and pushed his wife in a restaurant.
I asked her if I could stop taking medication after spending 4 years on different combinations, after once having been on so much Latuda that I started having involuntary muscle tremors, and I was still hearing voices, still crying, still having anxiety attacks.
I stopped taking them without consulting anyone. When I told her about it at the next appointment she initially tried to get me to get back on the medication. Then she asked me what my worst manic incident was so I told her about that one time with the gun. She said that she wasn't sure because she didn't know the whole story but it seemed like my problem was actually poor impulse control related to childhood trauma, from what she had seen between me and my family when they used to insist on sitting in during sessions. She said to ask my therapist if I had borderline because that can cause psychosis and mood swings as well.
My therapist did not tell me I could not possibly ever have had borderline, she said I didn't have BPD BECAUSE
I had gotten better. See, she's not an MD, so she has no incentive to tell a healthy person that they are sick.
BTW you're lying, you didn't have dinner last night. How does that feel?
>>113113>I stopped taking them without consulting anyone. When I told her about it at the next appointment she initially tried to get me to get back on the medication. Then she asked me what my worst manic incident was so I told her about that one time with the gun. She said that she wasn't sure because she didn't know the whole story but it seemed like my problem was actually poor impulse control related to childhood trauma, from what she had seen between me and my family when they used to insist on sitting in during sessions. She said to ask my therapist if I had borderline because that can cause psychosis and mood swings as well.
So, to put it in a more accurate way, you misrepresented your episodes to your psychiatrist, and then bitched when they got it wrong?
That's actually even better than what I said.
And either way, no-one went "Oh, you're better without medication? Must be borderline", like you said, you just explained it more accurately to them and they asked if your therapist had ever asked you about another disorder.
Why lie anon? I get you think that muh big pharma is out to get you, but why intentionally misrepresent your story to try to convince others to do what you think is right? You didn't have Bipolar, and you going around and telling people you did and that weed cured it is just going to hurt people. It's legal in plenty of places. If it helped Bipolar, it would be a recognised treatment in those places for it. It isn't, because it doesn't, and it can be directly harmful for them.
>she said I didn't have BPD BECAUSE I had gotten better.
Which is, like the rest of your story, a load of shit. People with BPD do react to therapy. They react better to some forms than others, but if they're willing to do it, they can improve from basic CBT.
Or are you trying to claim that they're now going you don't have BPD because you just recovered from it without anyone knowing you had it and your doctor was actually trying to trick you into muh big pharma schemes all along?
>BTW you're lying, you didn't have dinner last night. How does that feel?
Feels like the leftovers I just finished were very unfulfilling, what with them not being there and all.
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I didn't misrepresent JACK SHIT to ANYONE.
I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder by hospital staff after being admitted for not sleeping for three days. I would say being unable to sleep for three days despite wanting to is a pretty clear sign of mania.
My private Psychiatrist said that if I were truly Bipolar I would have felt better on the medication and that it was impossible for me to be bipolar if I felt I could function without it.
The therapist never said I never had BPD. She said I had improved too much for me to currently have it at this moment in time.
There are studies showing that it can be directly helpful for people with bipolar disorder, actually.
Try having something other than ignorance for dinner.
>>113116>I didn't misrepresent JACK SHIT to ANYONE.
>I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder by hospital staff after being admitted for not sleeping for three days. I would say being unable to sleep for three days despite wanting to is a pretty clear sign of mania.
It's a clear sign of distress, you can't be in a full manic episode within three days though. Maybe you heard them mention Bipolar, but you clearly weren't diagnosed.
>There are studies showing that it can be directly helpful for people with bipolar disorder, actually.
Why don't you link them then? I'd be interested in reading how a substance with potential for recreational use and abuse is at all recommended for someone with a fragile already mental state.
Seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. Big pharma isn't out to get you, you weren't tricked by your doctor or some shit, you just clearly misrepresented what you were going through severely, and they made the wrong choice as a result.
There's literally dozens of studies showing how medications can help people, you sperging out about them doesn't change that.
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The hospital gave me papers that said I had bipolar and explained what it was. I don't have them because it was over three years ago.
Me sperging out? What about the confessions of all the people who used to work in this industry? John Virapen is just a 'sperging' lying quack, right?
>Why don't you link them then?
I've been accused of "linking things too often" in arguments a lot. I'm glad you're at least willing to look at these, although it doesn't seem like you looked at my other sources either.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9692379https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19891810https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818174
Unfortunately marijuana remains a schedule I drug federally despite the FDA recommending otherwise to the DEA.
Just because medications CAN help people doesn't mean that people SHOULD take them. At the very least doctors shouldn't tell a bipolar person that they will have to be medicated indefinitely for the rest of their lives, I have a UK schizoaffective friend and she said she was on meds for a while but the doctor never told her she'd have to be on them forever. And schizoaffective symptoms are supposedly worse in some aspects.
>>113140>The hospital gave me papers that said I had bipolar and explained what it was. I don't have them because it was over three years ago.
This just says they think a bit clearer, not that it helps with the actual symptoms of Bipolar. Neurocognitive impairment isn't the thing someone with Bipolar needs to focus on handling (generally). They need to focus on stopping the cycle of manic and depressive states.
Same as above.
This doesn't really say anything about whether it helps or not, though I do agree with the content that more research could be useful.
My point as to why it's not so helpful is that (ignoring that there's been links drawn to emergence of psychosis), it is by its nature a recreational substance. People with mental health issues are at a far increased risk of substance abuse than the general population, and even if it does make them feel better, the risk for developing a dependence on it to cope with your issues at all, which does lead to tolerance (can't exactly take a t break when you're in crisis), which does lead to situations where you just end up back where you were before at best, with less money. More likely though, you'd also have the symptoms that abuse of cannabis does carry.
It's the same reason why they don't give everyone who has stress benzo's. Sure, they do work, they work exceptionally well at what they're meant to do. But it's way too easy to develop a dependence on them and end up with an addiction to it and not learned anything about how to manage your particular issues.
And until there are studies that show that it does help with the potentially dangerous symptoms of Bipolar, I think it's harmful to tell people not to take medication and just to smoke forever.
You may not have had Bipolar, and in your case, it's great it helped you. But for someone who does, they're going to need more than a joint here or there to recover.
>Just because medications CAN help people doesn't mean that people SHOULD take them.
Agree completely. There's paths that should be followed first. Though I don't really think there's a difference between having to smoke pot forever to be okay and having to take a pill at night to be okay, in both cases you're relying on drug therapy forever.
>t the very least doctors shouldn't tell a bipolar person that they will have to be medicated indefinitely for the rest of their lives, I have a UK schizoaffective friend and she said she was on meds for a while but the doctor never told her she'd have to be on them forever.
I can't talk to this, I've at most had a doctor say it's something that potentially might have to be taken forever, but that to come back in a few months and review how things were going then.
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Look, I don't believe I ever said "dude just do weed every day and you'll be fine ayy lmao fam". I just wanted to share my personal experiences because I got asked to elaborate on them.
I personally found LSD to be much more helpful than marijuana in that it allowed me to objectively examine myself without shying away from unpleasant thoughts.
I shared a link to a study done in the UK this year on LSD that indicates that it may have therapeutic potential for treatment resistant depression and PTSD in particular. But I believe it should be schedule II and taken under the care of a trusted therapist, not sold over the counter under any circumstances and always taken in a very controlled environment. I don't think people should "trip" more than once or twice a year.
> Though I don't really think there's a difference between having to smoke pot forever to be okay and having to take a pill at night to be okay, in both cases you're relying on drug therapy forever.
That's true in a sense, except marijuana doesn't have any of the harmful side effects that the drugs I was on have. Latuda, a mood stabilizer that is the only FDA approved drug to treat bipolar depression, changed the way my body processed carbohydrates. I became overweight for my height on the BMI by about 5lbs, so I started taking Topiramate, an anti-seizure medication that causes short term memory loss, for its side effect of weight loss. It is funny to me that you say
>they don't give everyone who has stress benzo's
because my Psychiatrist knew full well about my history of drug use and prescribed me .5mg of Lorazepam for anxiety. It's ironic because I'm the crazy anon hippie druggie poster right? But I have a whole bottle of Lorazepam in a drawer that I don't even want to take because I transcended the need to take it for anxiety and the side effects are fucking horrible anyway. Oh, and I was prescribed Temazepam, another benzo, so I could sleep at night, right? And my mother actually was the one who told me not to take it too often for sleep because she had read online that it could cause serious kidney problems.
Marijuana doesn't hurt your kidneys and intoxicates less than alcohol (multiple Olympic athletes have competed with marijuana in their bloodstream, look up Ross Rebagliati).
Honestly I would advise everyone against smoking ANYTHING every day. If you're going to get potted up on weed every day, cannabis oil or cannabis vaporization are the healthiest ways to do it.
I don't think everyone should do this. But for instance; someone in my family has diabetic neuropathy, and I think maybe if the vote passes in our state this November, patients like him would see a huge improvement, at least in quality of life. Right now he drinks alcohol to be able to fall asleep, except white wine is fucking loaded with sugar. There's research showing marijuana helps with this exact problem: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00781001
The only thing that I would universally recommend to everyone, even if they have never had a diagnosis of a mental illness, is therapy. I can't personally speak to the effectiveness of CBT, but EMDR was really helpful in helping to reprocess trauma for me personally.
It seems like we might actually agree on more things than not.
I just want people to make informed decisions. Question everything. Peace be with you.
>>113150>I shared a link to a study done in the UK this year on LSD that indicates that it may have therapeutic potential for treatment resistant depression and PTSD in particular. But I believe it should be schedule II and taken under the care of a trusted therapist, not sold over the counter under any circumstances and always taken in a very controlled environment.
Yep, I agree completely. It seems to have some use as a therapeutic tool, but not just as a cure you take yourself.
>Latuda, a mood stabilizer that is the only FDA approved drug to treat bipolar depression
I've been on it, but from memory, Latuda is primarily an anti-psychotic medication that also seems to help with depression in Bipolar patients. There's lots of meds that help with depression in them, it's just relatively unique because it does both pretty well.
> It's ironic because I'm the crazy anon hippie druggie poster right? But I have a whole bottle of Lorazepam in a drawer that I don't even want to take because I transcended the need to take it for anxiety and the side effects are fucking horrible anyway. Oh, and I was prescribed Temazepam, another benzo, so I could sleep at night, right?
Okay? It still stands that they don't give everyone who's got anxiety benzo's, they're heavily restricted medications.
In my country, alprazolam is one of the absolute hardest medications to get prescribed, to the point where doctors have to go out of their way to get special licensing to be able to give a script for longer than a month of it, and it's controlled by a central office (pharmacy must contact them to make sure the script's been approved). People still get it, but it's rare.
>Marijuana doesn't hurt your kidneys and intoxicates less than alcohol (multiple Olympic athletes have competed with marijuana in their bloodstream, look up Ross Rebagliati).
Intoxicates less than alcohol isn't much of a statement, though I get what you're saying.
Someone who's drank too much can be just as fucked up as some junkie who's nodding.
>Honestly I would advise everyone against smoking ANYTHING every day. If you're going to get potted up on weed every day, cannabis oil or cannabis vaporization are the healthiest ways to do it.
I'd advice against use of anything that's not prescribed every day really. Drugs like that (With recreational usages I mean) should be used when you absolutely need to. To use the example of benzo's again, if you get a script for, say alprazolam for panic disorder, you're not meant to take that whenever you're stressed, or whenever you have a panic attack. It's for when you're in crisis.
Same goes for pot. If you're going to self medicate with something like that, it's incredibly important to realise that addiction does form really easily, and self medication has led fucking heaps of people from just smoking sometimes, to smoking all the time, to taking benzos, and then you're dealing with potential fatal wd's from that.
It's a very fraught path to take, especially when there are non-addictive options that don't have recreational uses.
>The only thing that I would universally recommend to everyone, even if they have never had a diagnosis of a mental illness, is therapy. I can't personally speak to the effectiveness of CBT, but EMDR was really helpful in helping to reprocess trauma for me personally.
Yep, once again, I agree completely. You don't need a mental illness diagnosis to do therapy (and it's honestly next to impossible to diagnose someone without them regularly consulting a therapist), and it should absolutely be your first choice if you're struggling, not medication.
People are too eager to just take a pill and fix everything, and not have to possibly work on themselves, or confront intense things like traumatic events, or changing major parts about how they live day to day.
>It seems like we might actually agree on more things than not.>I just want people to make informed decisions.
Yep, I agree. My main issue was that it seemed like you were coming across as "I'm Bipolar and weed cured me! Don't take your medications, just smoke week, it's a magic cure". But it doesn't seem that way, and I agree with what you're saying generally.
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Latuda helped with psychosis when it was really bad, but it never really did anything about the depression/crying fits and it had other awful side effects. When I was at the highest dose (120mg when i'm pretty short) I had really intense muscle tremors where I couldn't move because I was twitching so hard.
My psychiatrist told me I couldn't be on regular SSRIs or MAOIs because they had a chance of making me manic.
>If you're going to self medicate with something like that, it's incredibly important to realise that addiction does form really easily, and self medication has led fucking heaps of people from just smoking sometimes, to smoking all the time, to taking benzos, and then you're dealing with potential fatal wd's from that.
I agree that benzos are terrible from both a health stand-point and a recreational high stand-point. But as I said, I have had a full bottle of Lorazepam for months since I stopped taking all prescription meds. I abused it recreationally a few times but I eventually started getting pretty bad nausea when I would only take 1.5mg at most. I don't want to take it even at the prescribed dose anymore. Benzos are terrible.
My first high and my first drug of choice was not marijuana, but benadryl. Fucking benadryl has a recreational use and I got addicted for a short period of time in my childhood, no joke. I'd rather someone my age back then smoke weed than do benadryl. Benadryl was available to me over the counter.
Nah, therapy cured me not weed. Meditation, talk therapy, private mantras, etc. I'm really grateful to have people that love me who pushed me to get therapy.
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I've done weed, a couple different stims, Benadryl, Dex, and methadone (w/o my consent).
Right now I have a prescription for offbrand Lexapro and Vyvanse. Used to take Wellbutrin, but found I leveled off pretty rapidly on it w/o much energy payoff. The Vyvanse is immensely better but I think I'll be forced to take breaks to keep my body from getting too used to it. I can bear to go to my stressful job and I don't cry anymore, wouldn't want to quit these drugs anytime soon. Sidenote: I tried Adderall from a friend once but coincidentally I got an insane inner ear infection literally the same day so I don't remember experiencing anything significant bc I was sick as a dog.
Before I went on these pills, I self-medicated with weed. When I lived in a blue state weed was a lot easier to obtain and I found myself indulging recreationally at least a week or two continuously every month. It really helped my stress and anxiety during grad school, and helped ease my existential dread. It curved my eating disorder and helped me sleep when I needed to.
Music and animation were wonderful while high.
These days, living in a red state, I never get any weed and my bf is hesitant to help me. So…whatever I guess. It really is my favorite drug though. I'm convinced if I had it I wouldn't need the Lexapro or the stims.
Tbh Dex and Benadryl are probably the most stupid drugs I've ever taken in excess and would never try again. I took such a retarded dose of Benadryl I'm surprised I didn't do major damage. Seriously I probably had in excess of 2000mg within 16 hours. I was seeing spiders, felt "rolling" sensations over my brain, and had strange ticks.
My list of to-trys:
Curious about Salvia but idk.
Would never bother to try coke. Refuse to do meth and most opiod pain killers.
>>113157>Latuda helped with psychosis when it was really bad, but it never really did anything about the depression/crying fits and it had other awful side effects. When I was at the highest dose (120mg when i'm pretty short) I had really intense muscle tremors where I couldn't move because I was twitching so hard.
Yeah, didn't help with either for me, just make me dizzy and disoriented. But still, from memory it's primarily an anti-psychotic.
>I agree that benzos are terrible from both a health stand-point and a recreational high stand-point. But as I said, I have had a full bottle of Lorazepam for months since I stopped taking all prescription meds
Yeah, and that might be the case for you, but I'd still say that self medication is a risky path for anyone to go down, because it turns from just sometimes when it's justified to a full blown addiction very quickly, and you don't notice it's happening the whole time, it seems justified.
>My first high and my first drug of choice was not marijuana, but benadryl. Fucking benadryl has a recreational use and I got addicted for a short period of time in my childhood, no joke. I'd rather someone my age back then smoke weed than do benadryl. Benadryl was available to me over the counter.
Yeah, over the counter highs are an issue too, but I don't really think I've heard of many people getting hooked on benadryl or dxm or something.
But yeah, I agree with you about therapy. It's the most important part of any recovery process, and should definitely be used before meds are even thought about, excluding very specific situations (active psychosis or mania for example).
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hash and/or booze usually every weekend. psilocybin shrooms maybe once or twice a year. i want to try coke…
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dex is my fuckin life. you got to lay in the dark and listen to music to get the most out of it. i always feel dreamy like im floating in space or like im an alien and my body is my vessel in this strange dimension. it also helps to be thoughtful throughout the day by questioning life and existence
How the fuck do you not itch your eyes off?
My experience with dex was such garbage and it's not like I didn't dig for any research beforehand. I saw posts saying that there might
be some itchiness but fuck me if that wasn't an understatement.
I itched myself raw and was basically incapacitated/nauseous for an entire day. Additionally I was so damn high I don't remember a lot of the trip. And I only know that because my high ass decided to record myself because I had no trip sitter, so I found that I said and did shit on video that I don't even remember doing. Freaky shit.
i dont get robo itch but i hear taking benadryl an hour beforehand helps with the itching and nausea so that sounds perfect for you. theres warnings not to take non-drowsy antihistamines (like zyrtec and claritin) with dxm so make sure you dont substitute with those. eating too much or too little before your trip also has a major effect on nausea. try eating some crackers before a trip and stay away from large or greasy meals.
being unable to remember the trip has something to do with an individual's brain chemistry. it's strange but common. out of curiosity, how many mgs did you take? if you're ever willing to try again, maybe take a smaller dose? the lower plateaus are just as worth exploring as the higher ones. dxm is so diverse and effects everyone in a variety of ways but the littlest things will make a big impact.
Weed, mushrooms, LSD, unknown RCs, mdma, mda, amphetamines, coke, probably meth, inhalents (I was a retarded teenager), tramodol, benzos, opiates, and heroin.
I really want to try DMT, but I'm waiting for the right time.
I drink everyday. I trip about once a month. I used to use valium a lot, but i don't need a benzo addiction. i still take molly at shows and clubs frequently. And I don't think anyone here would consider kava root or kratom to be drugs, but I use those a few times a week.
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>smoked hash for the first time
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Drugs are bad for you.
b-b-but i want to be like the cool kids
But in all honesty it feels really good after vomiting
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420 everyday. I wanna try shrooms, but I fall on the schizo umbrella and worried I'll lose connection with reality. :/
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I miss pills so bad. I've done a lot of drugs, but I can't shake how much I crave opiates.
I went to rehab years ago and now only really do them sometimes when the opportunity presents itself, but I know I'd get back addicted to it in a second if I had the money/connects. I'm an alcoholic now and it's just made me fat and I hate that.
I usually smoke weed to help me sleep, chill out at night, but I stopped last month for a job-related drug test I might be getting soon.
i've done spice on two different occasions.
first time when i was 15 in a social setting. i don't remember much of it but i had a good time and nobody was acting weird or crazy. just really amused and zoned out.
second when i was 18 and i did it alone. way less fun and a bit unsettling. personally, it feels like getting too intensely high on weed with some dissociation mixed in.
definitely not something i would intentionally seek out in the future.
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lmao I smoked that shit when I was 18 too
I had brought real cannabis to smoke and my friend had said he'd match my contribution but he had brought a "spice" called "Mr. Nice Guy" instead….
long story short the girl he and I were smoking with became nonverbal and acted extremely strange, throwing dead leaves at herself and rolling on the floor…
we were at school at the time, it was our lunch break and we had gone off campus. we needed to get back before class.
we got her in the car safely, she seemed to calm down. when we got her to the parking lot at school we thought everything was cool but she threw herself on the asphalt and started making animal noises and masturbating so that drew a crowd and we all almost didn't fucking graduate
she had to go to the hospital and apparently almost died or something
but they let us get our diplomas because the spice was legal.
Guess they didn't know I had brought actual cannabis to the park, oops.
LEGALIZE CANNABIS FOR RECREATION
Where are you from? Where I live mr. Nice guy is extremely popular, I haven't encountered the name outside of country.
The people I know who smoked this regularly had to be locked up in a closed psychiatric hospital because they became psychotic.
I know a guy who works at the narcotics department at the police, he said this thing is made from tea leaves, soaked in repellent products, dried and then soaked again. I don't remember really the details but I think you can guess this drug is just chemical garbage.
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My ol' art buddy knows I'm super stressed and broke (due to college related shit)
So he was a champ and just gave me a decently big bud, which made me happy as hell cause anxiety yo.
Anyways smoked that shit yesterday and it was the highest ive been since i took my first bong hit (given it was a giant glass bong) Ended up using the little money i had left to buy new underwear cause previously I had been too worried about other finances to allow myself that shit.
Cannabis is forever a best bro letting me get new bras n shit while i listen to my fave tunes.
You can grow shrooms yourself, just buy the spores online for "research" purposes. They even have full kits you can buy.
Or join your local mushroom hunting group. They won't let you keep the trippy ones, but then you'll learn where they are.
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>>120991>Where are you from?
Miami, Florida. I think the popular crazy drug here is called "flakka" now, basically a tweaked version of Mr. Nice Guy or something. People smoke it and strip naked inside banks and shit, kek.
A guilty pleasure of mine is that I enjoy watching videos of people on crazy drugs like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3MT-51jas
dark web yo. delivered straight to your door. do your research on using tor and bitcoin etc.
though it's a good idea to get some friends even just so you have a sitter. maybe post on a psychedelics subreddit and ask for friends and introductions locally (without sounding like a narc if possible)? acid freaks tend to be super nice and open so if you just posted your location and said you want to trip it might work out
>>121234>use heroin somewhat regularly>But I'm not addicted though!
You realise that addicts everywhere say that same shit right? That they control it, they can stop whenever they want, that they're totally different?
Addiction is almost completely mental, not getting withdrawals doesn't mean you aren't hooked.
I've done weed, lsd, coke, 2CB, ecstasy.
Weed is fine but i don't like the munchies (ana-chan here)
LSD was my fave until it was impossible to get something decent in my city, i didn't want to take the risk.
I hate coke well…perico, it wears off so fast and it gets me in a bad mood.
And definitely love ecstasy to the core of my heart, is the best but sometimes but i get so depressed D: the comedown its the worst.
Want to try snorting some MDMA but i think>>46070>>120288
is pretty normal to feel nausea or to vomit with x…maybe try to eat well before you take it, every time i feel nauseous is because i haven't eating properly. Or simply you are taking too much.
the mechanism of psychedelics is very different from SSRIs, so they won't treat antidepressant withdrawal (although they might help on a psychological level). and like >>121259
said, SSRIs usually weaken the effects of psychedelics, they effectively desensitize your serotonin receptors. although if you were able to trip on acid before it will probably be fine.
Thanks anon, I did consider that, but I thought that consistently lowering the dose of one drug and microdosing of the other would mean that at the very most, my serotonin level would remain constant.
My long-term goal with this is to normalise my serotonin receptors and not be reliant on such blunt-force meds.>>121259>>121310
Actually didn't get the opportunity for a full scale trip on acid, but I had what was probably more than a microdose, since everything looked prettier and I experienced slight euphoria. My point is, the reaction seemed normal, so I'm hopeful for this DMT experiment.
Can't believe that this thread is still around, but I'm the person you're replying to, and my issue wasn't with people saying exercise is good for depression (I know it is), but with them saying it was more effective than antidepressants.
I'd encourage anyone to exercise whether they were depressed or not
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Anyone else like to create art while under the influence even if you're just smoking some dope or relaxing with a beer? One trip, on a certain dissociative, I was captivated by psychedelic artwork after depression turned me off from drawing for years and it's gotten me into art again, completely changing my work for the better. Nothing more euphoric than opiates, listening to my favourite tunes, and turning a sketch into a personal masterpiece. It's like I have some sort of creative bone in my body again.
I've also been interested in trip journals and keeping a log of how I feel/what I'm thinking while I'm out of my mind but haven't quite gotten around to buying a journal yet. I saw some cute decorated journals on tumblr and now I really want to get my hands on a bunch of craft stuff so I can personalize it too.
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>>188158>when you bump the thread to tell people you smoked grass
Generally, yeah, cokeheads are assholes because they're by definition addicts and the drug can make you really aggressive/full of yourself>>188391
I feel like you and I are on an eternal battle over this, "don't do coke"-anon. I've done coke a thousand times, even did it daily for almost a whole year and never got to losing dignity, friends or cash (can't say the same about health, my nose bled constantly). Never got addicted. I like alcohol a hell of a lot more than coke tbh.
I don't want to be a dick but>did it daily for almost a whole year>Never got addicted
I only smoke weed and drink, thats it. Weed does nothing for me, just makes me tired and gives me headaches, which is a shame bc i started smoking hoping it would help my anxiety but it does fuck all I sort of feel like im doing something wrong? The only time it did anything for me was at party when I took like 4 pulls and stared at a disco light for an hour, convinced it was blinking in time with the music. I smoke about once a week or so just socially now. I dont even drink often at all, but if I do its whiskey shots, drinking makes me confident but I hate it, I always end doing embarrassing shit and I hate drinking culture.
I always said I would stay clear of drugs but my anxiety and depression is getting so terrible lately Id love to just take my mind of things even for just half an hour. Where I live booze weed and nos are standard at pretty much all partys, but last weekend I went out with a friend who is into harder stuff, she offered me MD and coke to try and help me of the depressive mood I was in but I turned her down, I kind of wish I had said yes to the coke tho. She thinks Id like ketamine but Ive seen the film party monster and I dont want to end up like that lmao
Ehh my memory is shitty but..
-pretty much all opiods but never touched heroin/fentanyl. Shot up dilaudid several times but shooting up is NOT my thing. And one of my best friends died from shooting up fentanyl so no thanks
-xanax, klonopin, ativan
-cough syrup and corocidin (terrible)
-weed/spice (one time for spice fuck that)
-air duster/whippits (also terrible)
-adderall/focalin, other uppers (no crack or meth or harder shit)
As for the one I got addicted to, and the reason for my now shitty memory is Xanax. Idk why. It started back in 2014 when I broke up with my gf of 3 years (first "serious" relationship and she cheated on me with another girl the whole time and I knew but kept taking her back cuz I was naive and she was sooo convincing, promising to change..) and I was so fucking heartbroken I just wanted to die. Friend at the time had a bf that was pushing here, so I got it alll for free. A fucking shit ton of them. I went off the deep end and I don't know how much I was using a day but it basically blanked out a complete 3 months of my life. I became a klepto, had sex I couldn't even remember having with various people, cut my legs into oblivion, basically wanting a slow, drawn out suicide.
I guess it was the fact it made me forget my feelings and completely detached me from having to cope with my emotions. Luckily when I became homeless I got arrested for tripping balls and looking suspicious as fuck at target, talking to trees and imaginary people..and my ass got sent to rehab. (Got news there was a warrant for my arrest there a month in but only spent a night in jail)
Unfortunately it resulted in my developing tics and seizures that have landed me in the hospital several times. I've since kicked the habit for the most part (sometimes rarely using it to sleep) but it sucks because any anxiety I had before had been 1000x worse since I stopped. I don't know why my brain/body wants to return to a "high" you can barely fucking remember and that makes you act dumb as hell.
I'm on probation now so drugs are few and far between now. I just take my adderall, occasionally smoke some weed, and get a little tipsy now and then. Maybe roll on special days but also rare. Anything else is a waste because I've realized I have an addictive as fuck personality and it wastes money that could be used on something…useful.
Idk kinda rambling because it's 4AM but I hope anyone reading this that has chosen drugs to deal with the problems in your life…its just not worth it. I swear. You'll come out of it and realize what a fool you were while taking them and not handling what you are feeling inside. It doesn't make anything better, just way, WAY worse. I'm here as a listening ear and guiding advice if you need help. You're not broken and there is beauty inside you if you choose to seek it out.
Yes. Yesterday I went to a party and some friends consumed and they start acting super annoying and agressive. It was so unpleasant to watch that I don't want to try coke. Also, if you start consuming often you get a weird belly fat and crazy eyes. >>188422
Sounds like a creepypasta but it can be perfectly true. It depends of the drugs, the quality and price the dealer sells. Expensive strains weed dealers are the chill stoner archetype, very nice and cool. If you want some cheaper and least pure you have to go to some shady places.
Lol, just saw your post now, I'm >>190751
. If you stay at home too do you want to chat over discord or something perhaps?
hello, i'm the first LSD anon. our deal predictably fell thru. waiting for an update, it's still a possibility but without a definite date.>>190751
doing acid alone-chan, have a trip sitter with you because that's my plan. never do drugs alone for the first time. it could be wild if we could chat through discord during, but it's a slim chance unfortunately. have a safe fun trip.
I wish I read this sooner. Because I dropped it yesterday. I can share my experience if you want. I didn't had a tripsitter because I don't really have that much friends, but I was chatting with a couple of oversea friends online so they "tripsitted" me in the beginning.
At first I cut off a small edge of the blotter and kept it in my mouth to allergy test it for an hour. Since I didn't feel anything I took the rest of the 100µg. Placed it under my tongue and let it sit there for ~20 minutes. I think around ~40 minutes after taking it I started to feel effects. I felt heavy was sinking into my chair at the PC. (I was still chatting online and looking at "trippy" pictures) Then I looked at an amazing photograph of a waterfall, that looked ultra HD and started to visually "distort". I remember writing into the chat something like "guys I think it's starting" and looked around my rooms and noticed my walls were moving a bit and the lights of the monitor were shifting like those old VHS tapes. So I went to bed and let a playlist running. I could go more into detail if you want but basically: I wrote a huge letter to myself, saying that many things in my life that are giving me a lot of anxiety aren't so bad after all. That I really stopped giving so much of a shit. That everything will be fine and that deeply inside me is something that is bright and glowing and watching me. And that this thing inside me only wants my best.
I then let this kind of music playing, because I sadly ruined a lot of my peaking because the music you find online that is "trippy psy chill" stuff all started to sound super weird to me and I really didn't want to feel a bad mood. Finally I let this here running that I created now for next time https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL3YAGkr6hg4WTbeIeGDfzjVCucGDzHY4
that ends with a super relaxed 24/7 radio station. Oh and that video was amazing, too https://vimeo.com/88829079
I was really afraid that meeting my "inner self" would be a bad thing. Because I always thought I have a lot of self hatred, social anxiety and depression. But seems like the something that is hurting me is the active part, not the subconcious. I even put huge towels covering all mirrors, because I've heard of people seeing themselves as Monsters and such things. So I was curious, at first I looked at a just my pupils, that were quite big. Then I was amazed, I looked at my face and just thought I look incredibly cute. Like a bug eyed happy hippie. Wearing a colorful hoodie was also beautiful.
Another breakthrough that I had was that I finally got over my Ex, that left me crying in the shower and bed as recent as the day before. I finally thought about that this douchebag was just never worth my time, that it's not his fault. He's just that kind of person, and that's okay. I spend the rest getting super comfy in bed, sometimes standing up and dancing a bit with my plushtoy cat that I was hugging. Drawing a lot and for some reason re-arranging my room to make it more comfortable.
Then I was considering even going out, because the sun was shining, but I was a little bit too anxious for that. Perhaps when I'm more experienced and not alone.
Overall it was an amazing experience. And I can't wait to wait 14 days to try it again :3 I don't want to do this regular but currently I'm not in school or college till summer, and working shitty retail jobs, so I want to do this for a bit till life gets serious. I know this sounds underage, but I'm 21, I just take a bit more time.
Surpringsly I didn't get 100% sober even after like 20 hours. I didn't feel mentally high but it didn't go away completely till I slept. If you have any more questions we can chat on discord or something.
Now the day after I feel a bit blue. I don't know if depression is just coming back or if that will go away after a while. But even though the feeling is gone, I really feel like the conclusion of this all will stay with me.
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I smoke weed a couple of time a week now that I'm dating my bf and going out more. I can't drink (overheating, headaches, etc.) so weed is my party drug. I've done ecstasy once and acid almost 10? times I would say. Ecstasy just gave me a bad headache when I became thirsty and acid is my favorite drug. Not interested in doing anything else that's not a psychedelic tbh - DMT, shrooms, peyote, ayahuasca, etc Might be getting a shroom connect soon :)
Not quoted anon, but I'm the exact same. Coke just feels like stronger caffeine =, whereas weed is just terrifying.
Weird enough, lsd is fine too
I've never tried any other drugs before, but weed triggers
horrible existential dread and paranoia for me. I've tried many strains, but they all have this same effect. And my friends are major potheads who keep trying to get me to smoke and say that I'm overreacting/it's good/ weed is medicine from the earth, etc.
I wonder how many other addicts are here? I prefer to smoke weed because it cures a lot of my PTSD and depression symptoms without any downsides but if I don't have that I'm on to alcohol, pain killers, benzos, I've even abused nyquil and benedryl when I was desperate. And if I can't get my hands on any of that I'll just shove food down my throat until I pass out. It's pretty unhealthy.
I really want to try psychedelics. I feel it would be more therapeutic for me but I have no idea where to get it and I don't have any friends to sit trip. How necessary is it to have someone there with you? Anybody have experience buying LSD or other psychedelics on DNM? I would do that but it seems really sketchy. I would hate to die or go crazy or waste my money in general from getting acid that isn't acid.>>191553
I agree. Honestly I feel ashamed to call myself a stoner or a regular smoker because then people think I'm lazy or obsessed with weed or think weed is the cure to every disease and ailment and everyone should smoke weed. I can't stand those people myself, but they make me feel like smoking weed is something I shouldn't tell people.>>191549
My best friend has ADHD and has the same reactions to coke and weed, maybe it's something like that.
I'm the opposite. I can handle weed but any stimulants or other drugs that cause tachycardia fuck me up bad. Even caffeine causes an panic attack and I feel like I'm going to die and need to be hospitalized.
Doesn't help that that one kid died from caffeine overdose.>>191553
Too much THC in it for you and not enough CBD. Weed's psychoactive effects (THC) are much stronger than they were just a decade ago. Some people can handle it and some can't.
They're completely different drugs though, I know weed is considered mild and all but I just react badly to it, and I've tried it a lot.
It just depends on the person and past experiences.
Same… I lose it completely. I enjoy drugs but weed just makes me feel so uncomfortable. I can't explain it.
That's why I don't want to try any hallucinogens. I'm really curious about them too, but if I react this badly to weed (technically a mild hallucinogen) then a bad trip on any stronger drugs is not going to be pretty. Shame.
>>191572>Too much THC in it for you and not enough CBD. Weed's psychoactive effects (THC) are much stronger than they were just a decade ago.
Not an Anon you where replying to, but holy shit really? Got any links on that it'd be interesting.
Do you think the amount of THC in weed increases by year because at 21 I swear I'm getting way more fucked up than when I was 15 or 16. And I've been smoking pretty consistently.
Here are a few. There's more sites that did articles about this but I can't get into them because I have adblock and sites like Forbes wants you to disable it for le money. Just google "Marijuana Potency Levels".
The CBS News video is pretty on point when the guy talks about THC vs CBD levels. Like he said, the medicinal component (CBD) isn't really there anymore in most strains. You can still cop high CBD strains online though if you live in a legal state OR 100% CBD strains in any state if you've got any type of pain and want to try it out. People claim it helps their seizures and joint pain, etc.
You can legally buy straight CBD tinctures and oils for consumption in almost every US state. Many people will vape or dab straight CBD oils after hitting flower.
I live in a red southern state and I've never had trouble buying CBD straight from sources, say from Colorado (which I use for pain and anxiety). I assume anyone who complains about weed strains not having enough THC just haven't done enough research to know where they can get CBD extracts online.
Note: Do research where you buy CBD, and don't buy from any company not willing to provide the lab results of their samples.
Whoops, I meant to say weed strains not having enough CBD
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I have been regularly (about once a week, usually weekends) smoking weed for a couple of years now. I'm in uni so I take 2-3 week breaks in exam periods because while I haven't noticed any other side effects my short term memory can be kind of impaired the day after.
I have been taking pure mdma once every three months at home with my bf or friends. None of the ridiculously high dosing or cutting with speed you see at parties, just the powder. I have never experienced any negative side effects, a hangover or a harsh comedown. Everything has always been 100% beautiful and I've been doing this for two years. It's probably because of the purity (I've had it tested since you can do that legally and without consequence in my country and it's 99% pure) and the time I leave in between (I really don't want to fry my brain and fuck up my serotonin receptors).
Furthermore I've tried 2CB about 5 times in varying doses, which is nice and apparently very similar to LSD in the doses I've taken. 4FA is a nice replacement for MDMA if my three months aren't over yet. I've tried cocaine, but I didn't really get the hype. Was probably one of the more mediocre drugs I've tried, although oxycodone was very boring too.
Tried ketamine a bunch of times and it's nice. Especially in higher doses it's really something else and makes me more introspective than I'd thought. Plus it actually cures depression for two weeks which is a very nice side effect.
Nitrous oxide is pretty lame when done on it's own but truly shines when done in combination with other substances. Nitrous and weed is already good, nitrous and mdma is amazing, nitrous and 2cB is absolutely orgasmic. Truly hippie crack, "I see the meaning of the universe" tier. (Which is why it's good to not have too much on hand since you'll binge without really noticing.)
I tried LSA and just got extremely sick for almost an entire day. Maybe it was just a bad batch, but I'm not eager to repeat that shit.
Will likely be trying shrooms for the first time in a week, wish me luck farmers!
Shrooms can give a great visual experience (they enhance lights, colours and patterns) which is wasted if you are indoors, so I strongly advise you to go out in nature, or at least out in the yard, or sit on your balcony if you live in a building and not a house (I did that, and the city lights looked magical).
Ive read about ketamine 'curing' depression, Im pretty interested honestly; Ive got to that point where Im just willing to whatever it takes to feel better. Im not sure how to go about it tho, I only smoke weed Ive never done anything more than that so I dont really know if it would be a bad idea… I really know nothing about drugs aside from all the scary stuff from hs health classes
I used to be pretty anti-drug use (for myself, igaf what others chose to do as long as they arnt being dumb about it) but right now im a point where I really dont care about my own morals anymore, I just want to be happy even for a few mintutes at most
This here, ladies, is a sure path to addiction.
Don't do it, any of it. Using drugs as a crutch when you're in a bad spot instead of using them recreationally when you've got yourself together is what makes addicts. It won't heal you, instead it will open up the door to a whole new, worse hell. It will alleviate the depression symptoms in the short run, it will destroy you in the long run.
Please, I beg you, don't even think about it. I am scared for you. I don't know you, but I know one more struggling addict is one more step further from the world me, you, and all of us want to live in.
Try ketamine. Just moderate your use or do it once. Idk what >>191843
is on about because unless you have an addictive personality, its only easy to get addicted to retard drugs like heroin and crack.
Experience that shit. I've used morphine, codeine, and dissociatives for my depression and I'm not suddenly a drug addicted asshole lmao>>191837
>>191870>SUGGESTS that it MAY
Cool, if you want to be a lab rat.
But I hope anon values their life more than that.
Because they're not in the lab. They're not part of a controlled experiment.
Nobody will know or notice the effects, nobody will know or notice their struggle, nobody will know or notice when they die.
Honestly anon, I think it would be good to try it. Ketamine is not a strong high at all when not in a very high dose. If you start craving it afterwards it would be wise to not do it for a while, but otherwise it's not dangerous.>>191843
I think you might be misunderstanding the depression "cure" that ketamine can provide. It isn't in the high of the drug itself and has nothing to do with it. You won't crave another hit or anything to feel less depressed. You can even take such a low dose you'll barely feel it for the effects to be present.
Ketamine high only lasts for an hour. Doesn't have any negative after effects except for a gross taste in your mouth for a few hours tops. The "depression curing" can be present in the weeks after taking.
For me, I never felt "high" or anything like that in the weeks after taking it, but I did notice my depression lessened by quite a bit.
I am not misunderstanding anything.
I'm saying don't play with fire while you live in a coal mine.
HOLy shit girl i am morning toking on this new strain and its the best ride ever,
Bout to go out and draw so much good shit in this sunny weather, my spine feels like vanilla pudding
Better to ask a medical professional who specializes in SSRIs.
Better he quit the weed for a while than risk stopping his real medication.
I went to the hospital before because of serotonin syndrome. I was taking sertraline but overdosed on it. you'll know if it happens, it's incredibly disorienting. it almost feels like you're dreaming but you're awake, and for me I was very dizzy and had trouble speaking.
I'm not too sure about mixing weed with sertraline because I never smoked heavily on it. I found I got stoned faster when I was taking it. I think, like drinking, smoking definitely alters the effectiveness of your medication, but SS probably won't sneak up on you, he'd feel it happen if my experience was standard at all.
I have been a chronic pot smoker for about 4 years and the entire time I was on sertraline. It worked the same as it did before I started smoking. I stopped taking the sertraline 6 months ago and still smoke weed everyday and I can feel my depression/anxiety returning.
Basically, I wouldn't worry about the two drugs cancelling each other; in my experience weed didn't effect my antidepressants at all.
! i'm not the person you're replying to but i was just considering this today. i've avoided weed for years since i started sertraline because the meds finally give me a semblance of normalcy and happiness that i would never trade for a high. but this has me interested.
do you mind if i ask what dose of sertraline you were on? (also why you stopped and do you plan on getting back on it, sorry 4 asking 4 blog)
I was taking 100 mg, but I think I probably could have had a higher dose. I stopped taking it for two reasons. First, my weight was really bothering me and I was having trouble keeping it under control while on meds. I know that's superficial, but I have never been able to lose weight while on SSRIs. (I've lost 15 pounds without any effort since stopping.) Second, I was thinking about starting a family and I don't want to be on sertraline while pregnant.
I have felt my symptoms returning recently, unfortunately. I think I might try something different this time and HOPE it doesn't kill my metabolism like the zoloft. For now I'm trying to go without but I am still taking trazodone, so I'm not totally med-free.
Back to the weed, I think you could probably try smoking again and see how you feel. I have a friend I always smoke with and she is also on SSRIs and they are fairly effective despite her heavy bong habit. Of course everyone reacts differently so I'd make sure to pay extra attention to your symptoms just in case I'm wrong.
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i smoked weed regularly when on fluoxetine, duloxetine and sertraline. when i first started on fluoxetine (prozac), the first time i smoked weed i suddenly felt very hot, anxious and hyperactive, similar to an extacy high but without the happiness-relaxation. i did not experience any adverse effects when i was on the other two. my doctor at the time told me that while what i experienced was not seratonine syndrome, drugs can trigger
shit like that when you're on antidepressants. she basically told me "do it but don't overdo it" regarding weed and antidepressants.
the second shrink i saw was a more uptight, conservative type and told me to absolutely abstain from any drug or any amount of alcohol as they would "shock my brain by changing my brain chemistry and negate the effects of the medicine". i followed his advice for a while but then i started smoking again and saw no change in my mood or in the efficacy of the medicine.
only thing i'm for sure about SSRIs and drugs is when you're on SSRIs you can't get a very potent high from extacy-MDMA because their effects clash.
sage for blogging-ish.
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I smoke weed pretty often but I know jack shit about strains, etiquette or anything, just smoke whatever my friends have on hand. Normally all it does is make me hungry and sleepy, usually with a small headache which sucks.
The other day tho I felt actually stoned for the first time ever after smoking with a bunch of randos, I felt majorly sick and headachy already, amplified it by like 200% but I didn't give a shit and everything was fucking hilarious. like a stereotypical stoner in a high school movie. I always thought there was something… wrong? with me but I guess I was just doing the wrong shit this whole time. felt good man
no idea what it was but it tasted pretty strong and I only had two pulls, my tolerance is pretty low lmao.
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i'm pretty much like you about weed, i'm about smoking it not writing an essay on it, but i learned that sativa makes you more energetic whereas indica makes you more mellow. maybe pic related will help you identify what you smoked?
also, drinking water while smoking weed helps with the headaches. if you're mixing it with tobacco, that may be what's giving you nausea.
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Is being prescribed the wrong meds and taking lithium and another drug a thing?
First and only drug I took. The first night was horrifying; I laid in bed feeling like my body was petrified. The whole night my legs would be pressed together and i wouldn't stop bunny kicking the whole night. The internal feeling was like going up in a fast elevator. It felt astral projection. Never again.
cool thanks for the input anon. earth shattering.>>195176
the uhh..first part of that confuses me. but im assuming you took a medication you were not prescribed with a medication you were. in which case, having fucked up side effects makes complete sense. what with how medications interact with each other. not to mention if it were the wrong medication and at a dosage that was too high, chances were pretty high you'd experience some weird shit.
im really sorry you went through that. ive been given the wrong meds in hospitals before and had some pretty serious things happen to me. that shit is frightening.
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It's REALLY really common to smoke weed for a long time and not really feel the affects. I swear I smoked for two years with mates or something before I was BTFO one day and suddenly understood what everyone was going on about.
No, it won't. Not enough time for it to be cleared out of your system. 2-3 weeks is more like it. Though you'll build up tolerance again in no time when you start again. Only the first few bowls will hit you hard, after that they'll be back to smoking them like cigs.
But whether or not you find enjoyment in weed is irrelevant, you've got far more pressing issues to sort out, of which weed is a part of. This>so every time i put my bowl down something happens, i get stressed, and i smoke again
is typical addict denial. Excuses, excuses.
Everyone has serious problems all the time. You have to face them, not run away from them. Or they'll catch up with you with double the force.
Drugs, no matter how benign they seem, are not a crutch. Listen to me. Weed WILL fuck you up if you use it as a tool for escapism. It will fuck you up by making the underlying issues fester.
Sober up. Face reality. Push through it. Then light up a bowl when you're in a good place again. Please. Do what's good for you now, no matter how hard it is. Because this way, you're just making it harder for future you. And the future you is the skin you'll have to live in.
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Me too. It was my first time going to a doctor for my depression and the doctor I had didn't have much experience and assumed i was bipolar even though i mentioned in passing my adopted sister was. She put me on mis prescribed shit for a year before my psychologist told me what she was doing was shutting my body down with all the side effects.
It was horrible but now I know how I feel when on drugs and I did not enjoy it one bit. Not knocking people who do but shit how do people do this recreationally?
Rarely alcohol and mushrooms, more frequently pot or nitrous oxide, which I believe is classed as a dissociative drug and I think lots of fun, it's like having a long orgasm in some way.
When I have the money, heroin. I prefer to snort it, but if I can only get tar, I'll take that. I don't shoot, I'm afraid of needles and I wouldn't have a clue how to do it.
I'm sure someone will be a jerk about this but heroin makes me feel relaxed and happy. I like myself when I'm on it. I get more talkative and friendly. It's not easy for me to be open, but heroin makes me likeable.
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Update she was just really, really, and I mean really relaxed and calm the whole day.
She has arthritis and dementia, so she is always in pain/anxiety. The plus side to it was she had no pain all day, but it was way over the dose we have been starting her on.
Also yes THC free
i've done a fair amount of prescription opiates and benzos, amphetamines, weed, mushrooms, acid, dmt, salvia, sass, spice/k2, nitrous, some testing chemicals on accident…i think that's about it.
i regularly use cannabis in concentrate form, i prefer indica strains. it's just more convenient and plus my tolerance is fucked lol. i've been smoking concentrates everyday for about 5 years now.
i also like to trip 2 or 3 times a year on either shrooms or dmt. shrooms are my favorite
aaaand overall i think my favorite substances are cannabis obviously, morphine and dmt.